Parents vs Hacking
From various other threads in the forum, its clear that several people's parents disagree with hacking and would strongly disaprove of it.
Mainly this is because your parents are media brainwashed retards. (Just like my parents)
However, on several occasions the topic of "hacking" comes up in conversation in my home. Mainly because i have this site up on my comp pretty much 24/7 and there was this incident at my old school. Not to mention the folder on my desktop called "Hacking Stuff".
But over time i've managed to calm them down about me being a hacker. They still have no clue what i do, and think everything i do is illegal. But they accept me for it. (Yes im aware my parents IQ < 30 )
Hacking shoudlnt be something you keep a secret in fear of being wrongly judged. If anything people you tell (espcially your parents) should be proud that you are a 'hacker'. It shows intelligence / motivation / dedication / passion for learning / problem solving skills / good chance of having a well paid computer job.
So, my suggestion is, to make talk to your parents about it. Wait for it to come up in conversation (leave HBH up on your screen whilst your out..etc etc). Then if they ask you or show concern your a dirty criminal, then explain to them hacking is far from that. Hacking isnt just about exploits and programming, its almost a philosphy… explain this to them.
To give yourself more of a boost when speaking with them, perhaps print of the hackers manifesto. (this is my next step should the oppurtunity arise)
— If anyone else here has had this problem with parents, but has overcome it.. then please post how —
My parents arnt My mums cousin is a hacker she works with a hacker everyday she knows im into this kind of stuff and accepts me for it. but my dad.. meh dont get my started. I am aware most peoples parents arnt this cool but you know. It differs but if i get arrested i die by hands of parents so kids listen to your parents and stay out of trouble..(Thats high risk and can get you thrown in jail like hacking microsoft or something).
As you said Mr Cheese talk to your parents about hacking I do all the time the hackers manifesto is on my wall in my folders at school and on my computer. With anyluck your parents will accept you for who you are an be over and done with it and as for the thing with the leaving hbh on your screen while you're out.. not a good idea if the feds come a knocking :p but i do leave it open when my parents come into my room
Well, my parents dont know that I 'hack'. Only close friends know that I do it, and I'd like to keep it that way :), not for being ashamed of it, just to stay out of trouble, when anything goes wrong I'll be the one to blame etc… When I talk about hacking to my parents and say that some stuff is really easy and people are retarded in some ways. Then I say something like: yeah, I CAN hack it. They never beleive me :P My mum's always like, yeah right like a 16yr old can hack a database, you cant fool me boy. My dad mostly just laughs but you see him thinking: I dont beleive a word of what you just said, in a way its kinda annoying but in another way I dont mind it…
I was lucky enough to have a neighbor who was into computers back when I first started to learn about them. He was able to talk to my parents, and helped them understand the difference between crackers and hackers.
Once I started hacking, I just came out and told my parents. At first they were a little scared, but I'd answer any questions that they had. Now, hacking is a normal topic at the dinner table, and once my mom even yelled at some guy who called my a criminal when I was wearing a 2600 t-shirt. :)
If you just tell your parents about it, and explain the difference between lightside and darkside, hacker and cracker, or whitehat and blackhat, chances are they'll accept it, it just may take some time. But, its well worth it in the end.
I dont think my dad would ever get it. He was just saw me programming and started accusing me, even though he cant even tell me what a hello world program does. And one time he saw me with a book that talks about alot of windows exploits and enumeration techniques he asked me what do I want to hack stuff. I just told him that I want to learn to hack to stop people from breaking into systems. Bascily told him I am a white hack hacker. Which as of the moment I am not any hat. I havent even ventured off and tried my own hacks yet. MY hacking experience only extends to HBH and afew hacking sites. But my mom on the other hand completly is accepting of the fact.
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I dont think my dad would ever get it. He was just saw me programming and started accusing me, even though he cant even tell me what a hello world program does. And one time he saw me with a book that talks about alot of windows exploits and enumeration techniques he asked me what do I want to hack stuff. I just told him that I want to learn to hack to stop people from breaking into systems. Bascily told him I am a white hack hacker. Which as of the moment I am not any hat. I havent even ventured off and tried my own hacks yet. MY hacking experience only extends to HBH and afew hacking sites. But my mom on the other hand completly is accepting of the fact.
Lol thats the same thing I told my dad my mom doesent know but im working on that TRYING to tell her more and more
My Step-Dad has seen me on HBH, and read the title…I'm not sure what he thinks, I don't wanna bring it up. My Dad knows the I went on HTS but I don't know how much he knows about what I actually do. I presented it to him in a soft manner. I'll talk to my parents about hacking, drop hints that the media is retarded and the such, but I don't talk that I actually do it.
Frekin' Scared man, NC
My parents know I hack. They don't know entirely what I do, and I think they underestimate me =P. My dad is really cool about it. He doesn't ever mention "real" hacking, but he's fascinated that I can send spoofed emails and other small, fun things. My mom disapproves of it. I see her all the time glancing at the screen when I'm on, and she mentions me hacking and how she disapproves of it a lot. She is the one who really underestimates me. She thinks I just snoop around and 'stumble' upon things that I shouldn't.
It's not only hacking for me. I also have to 'hide' from my parents when I want to visit political websites because my mom (not sure about dad) don't agree with me on politics.
Leaving the Hacker's Manifesto lying around is a great idea! ^,^ I'll have to try it.
Both my parents found out a while ago, I got a lecture about it, and now they don't really care.
My dad and a couple friends of his were the first to "hack" the original car radios with anti-theft. They found out how to get the "secret" code to the cars and get radios for free. So my dad is cool with it, he just tells me to be careful.
My mom is computer illiterate but she understands enough to know what hacking is. She has no problem as long as im not committing some sort of illegal act that wud keep me locked up for the rest of my years.
Wow Haykuro .. looks like your roots go deep ;)
hmm .. My dad has found hellbound hackers and HTS and this other phreaking site open before.I told him the site had nothing todo with hacking,they were an afilliate and just hosted the forums for them And yer i just have an intrest in phone systems.
This was before He found my beige box mind you, Its a bit hard to try to explain ah. yer i like hook that up to peoples phone lines so i can call my hacker buddies overseas.. Lol im sure hed noe beleive one word of the shit that would come out of my mouth if i tired to bull my way outta saying that by .. oh im only curious about how phone systems work :)
Although actually During this very christmas, somehow we got talking with the whoel family Aunty uncle Random friends etc about putting phones into my aunties serviced apartment.. Well you guy have any idea on how much telstra want to put in a line…. One of the Random friends actualy said.. ill speak to one of my "IT Friends" im sure hell know how to do it it mite cost ya a few hundred but hell do it for ya lol
Yer well i kinda spoke up then.. i think my dad started to get ideas what they phone was used for now ;).. But it was gr8.. talked about the straw trick..and how those phone cards used to get a hole punched into them etc
I doubt that i would openingly tell my dad about hacking though and i have my reasons although times are changing and youve bought the discussion all up again.
- Hes been brainwashed by the media.. although im sure my dad would have the iq to understand the philosphy if i explained how venders rely on "security professionals" to inform them about errors and flaws in their apps. I think he would be still like why though..and hed try to make me stop.. any only because he CARES you know
2.I think youd really need to go about tit the right way, trying to tell my dad that i hack at 13 would have just been downright stupid.. But how about now when im 16, more maturetured and have the maturity to know how to go about it the right way, be able to show my dad computing is somewhere i wanto go with my life.. show him i am dedicated and motivated, show him i can learn show him in 2 years i can walk into my own life indepently with Certificates in IT,and cisco qualifications and try to earn his respect.
- Its all about the mindset, I love it and if i was to ever to try to explain it to my dad That would be how.. How can i achieve something within the written laws of the sytem ..if i cant.. how can i subvert it
4.But allthough as MR_Cheese said been a hacking is not something to be ashamed of .. although i ask my self how wise it is to flaunt it
You dont actually earn any respect from anybody other than noobies who want to hack hotmail, It only takes one person who knows their shit about networking and are not hackers to show you exactly how much you dont know.
Been a hacker is not something i hide.. but its not something i flaunt either.. and wisely so
Your parents are all media whores.. wot no but really they are.. you know they dont care when your sitting in your living room typing this reply with HELLBOUND HACKERS at the top of the screen.. my family doesnt say anything. Noone at school knows I do it mainly because they'll be like "Can you fix my computer" all the time and if the network got hacked they'd instantly ask me about it. Same with my parents they accept me for who I am and Grind dont worry if they dont get it eventually just move out of something and wow the guy above this post isan aussie.. and when he said "Do you guys know how much it is to put in a line from telstra" Its a fucking ripoff with a capital F. but yeah. Parents, the media and hacking just dont mix :p.. for some people
Well, my parents didn't really know that i had very much computer skills until i told my schools admin about a program i made that would bypass the several group polocies and run any command i want as administrator, which the program was sent to symantec and they gave a very friendly reply that stated, "We will try and figure it out, if not, contact the FBI." <—that one made me happy….:(
Then, about a week later, there was a new patch out that made my program not work anymore…coincidence? Greedy bastards….
Now, my parents have to sign some kind of waiver so i don't get in legal trouble, these rules are stupid. If i told the admin what i did and practically handed him the program, why should i get in trouble?
you see parents and school administrators hate to have the fact that someone younger than them, or of thought less intelligence, is indeed wiser than they are. they hate your guys just because you have a mere thought of understanding something.
Example: I was in 7th grade and I noteted how they had a school login system that would work via school ID numbers and the password is eigther ur birthday or a chosen password (even if u choose ur own password, if u put ur birthday in it wud work, no matter what) so all i had to finish doing was make a little prog that wud query the school server (not to hard seeing how every computer is always connected to it) and then make it return with "my" birthday. To do this i used a little program they have to view your grades, to do that all u needed was ur school ID number. They keep the school id numbers posted up incase u loose it (retarted, very retarted, thus me and my friend wrote over ours with permanent markers :P) and we just noted some of them down. then i wud just type up there id numbers, receave there birthday, then login. i now had control over every teacher, administrator, and student account, all with very little attempt.
i reported the issue to the school administrators, and they replyed with "Thank you very much for the heads up, now heres your detention dates, times, and what extracuricular activitys u will be banned from.. have a nice day :)"
i was banned from every extra curicular activity from then on, and my time on computers was eigther limited, or monitered by the teacher when in typing class or something.
in a summary, dont be smart because the authority hates feeling stupid.
Damn this is making me think back in the day when i would write VB programs now i no longer have VB cause itdoesnt want to install on my laptop :( but yeah back in the day and i agree Parents or School admins dont want 'youngsters' being smarter than them which blows cause they can learn alot from us
I never got round to telling my parents about hacking, but once they saw Net Force.nl open on the screen (the header says "Hacking challenges", but when they see "Hacking" that's enough for them), and they gave me a lecture about hacking and that its bad to hack and all.. I, of course, said I wouldn't do it again (what else?!) but I got called by someone, because I hacked their website.. My parents got really mad at me then and took my computer from me for three months. Since this, they are a little softer about it, but still don't approve of what I do. I recently got called again, by the same site, because I hacked them again. Now my parents just begged me not to do it, so it all turned out reasonably well.
^^ Sorry for the grammatical and spelling mistakes :)
My parents just underestimate me, ALOT! they're always like: NO WAY you can do that. They also think if I can do it, all my friends do it too, but I'm the only 'hacker'. They do know that I'm doing illegal stuff, like pirating warez and cracking progs but there it stops. I dont think they'll preach me about hacking, if they do I'll have response ready for every argument they give that says its bad. They won't be able to stop me ;) B)
Well my dad knows nothing about the internet or the hacking scene and first he was against hacking. But when i explained him about hacking, about black hats and grey hats, … he started to realise that not all hackers or bad. The resault is realy amazing:
- He buy's me books when i need them
- He let me have full access to the computer (and bought me one for meself)
- He gives me good idea's (realy he does!)
(and because he dosn't know anything about PC's i always help him to get stuff running, yes i'm sort of a admin at home = he knows the good side of having a pc freak / hacker soon B))
so you should realy try to talk about hacking with your partents! But be sure that you know ALOT about the scene (i suggest to read "A hackers diary" and stuff like that) and be sure to include that hackers are master programmers! ( => a good future job)
ps. I did read books about SE … ;) ps.. I have a good relationship with my dad
well my mom knows i go to hbh to learn how to protect myself. in the past 2 months i have learned more about computers than my mom has in her entire life. she got an email with XSS in it and i read the url and told her to delete it. ive helped her fix her computer alot.
on the other hand my dad would kill me. he knows nothing about true hacker society. hes a buisness man. hes not brainwashed by media (hes not american and dosnt watch american news or any thing).
all my friends think of me as a computer prodegy… i wonder what would happen if they met you guys. however my cuzinz dont believe that i can hack. they think im full of BS:(. my cousin is rather ignorant considering i could program HTML when i was 12… we alwasy compeated
school, i have not "hacked" at my school but i have told my computer teacher how manny was i could bypas the limited security. my school cant even block a websight right. if the students dont type "www." the internet will let the websight run. and they have done nothing to stop the use of the command prompt. i have made batch files, opend CMD and command through the run menu and even made a short cut
My parents don't know I hack. I almost got kicked out my old school for accessing School Reports and teacher and students records. I could name every person in that school with a criminal record.
I was banned from the system and dubbed by the Student Newsletter. King of the Geeks. I was always mates with the geeky kids but never the one who stayed on computers all the time. The one maths lesson….
Anywayz. They took me off the system for the rest of my time there. I left at the end of the year.
Once the school found out they started to employ me as a 'white hacker' I had to find loopholes in the system. I loved this an excus to hack. I continued with this but it turned out that I was just being used. The head of IT was claiming to solve all these problems with the Island Schools network. I then stopped working with the system and got bored. I worked on my own projects until I had nothing much to do.
If my parents ever found out it would take a lot of explaining
My parents both know I'm up to something, but I find it interesting that all the school admins know that I hack, and are completely ok with it! We got this new thing installed at school called "Studywiz" which is just a CMS for schools. Anyways, the forum lets HTML be processed! slaps forehead! Mr K got us all to go on his shiny new forum, and I was the first poster: <plaintext> :p . He wasn't very happy that he'd only just bought the damn thing and had no idea what I'd done to it (IT teachers really are stupid aren't they?!) but he quite likes me now, because I found a way past the internet blocking and ended up telling him. I kinda give him bug reports! He even gave me a free copy of Filemaker Developer 8!
What he doesn't know, is that I've been giving people detentions with his brand spanking new Filemaker database! :D
well my parents know an they want me to stop. infact just the other day my mom got ahold of an article about how all hackers "end up in prison or a detention center and the costs the family financial and emotional issues" i asked who wrote it and it was a fucking doctor who knew nothing about computers. I told my mom that i was not hacking actual sites and that these are just a learning tool and she said she would read the website. but yeah anyways i agree parents, the media, and hacking dont mix.
For starters my 'hacking' hasn't yet ventured from HBH and a few other hacking sites, but my dad (who is a programer, and a net security person) checks my net history (Idon't know how I delete my cookies, history, ect. If u know how he does PM me with the answer,lol of topic.) so far he's brought it up once, but I didn't say anything, he didn't seem to woried though (he probally knows I won't turn out to be a 'black hat').
He's been pretty suportive of helping me program if I eccounter a difficulty (witch has only happend twice so I'm not sure if he's still pondering whether I'm going to crack some federal site, or hack some minor site, just for info(last one's me;) unless some one realy pissed me off, but I got a pretty firm hold of my emotions:|s so I doubt that's gona happen, but anything's possible:o)))
And I agree with you Mr.Cheese, hacking isn't just bought exploits, its philosophy. But then again I can't realy say that yet because I haven't done an exploit yet, but when I do it's not goin to be about fame or glory, is goin to be about hopefully learinng something new.
well..first of i have to say i'm pretty sure if my dad catch my computer alone (without me sitting behind it) he's gonna throw it out of window :D. in the begining he thought i'm playing games all the time (and yet i didn't even have a single game on my pc). after he found out what i do is programming..well it didn't make any difference..lol anyway he got used to it and my mother…she knows i'm interested in "hacking" and she doesn't care that much about it :D.
hack4u wrote: my parents are cool with it. they actually like that i do it. most of the time if my mom needs something done on the computer i can do it. when we didnt have internet for a while i stole my neighbors and they didnt care.
AS LONG AS YOU HELP PARENTS WITH IT THEY WONT CARE.
:p Amen. My dad actually has been a computer person for years, and he just admitted that
You are probebly the most savy at computers in this house
So my mom got a laptop and she needed help with the connections and stuff so I helped her and stuff. I even have a part time job fixing computers, deleting viruses, ext… I don't get paid much but hey, I love to do it. So yea my parents don't mind it.
My mother saw this site up on her computer (Smart, I know) and kind of freaked out. After assuring her that I wasn't going to break into the homeland security website and delete the entire website, she calmed down a bit, but every time I'm online now she asks 'Are you on that hacking site' or something along those lines. And my father doesn't give a rats ass about what I do, as long as I get straight A's.
I agree with Grind's statement. Try talking to them explaining little by very little what you do. You be suprised at how much pressure is relived, and how much space you get when they "think" they understand what you're doing. Most just don't want their kids to end up in jail. But show them benefits something positive and more than likely that will help. If not take up a hobby like embalming, and see what they say about hacking..hehe
SimplySolitary_ wrote: And my father doesn't give a rats ass about what I do, as long as I get straight A's.
LMAO! yeah kinda like my mum and dad, although my mum and dad just say, Do what you want, just 2 things:
- Dont involve us in your work
- Dont get caught^^ And their like, alright, everythings fine if you dont get caugt^^
K lolz i had something to say, but now i forget what the topic is… in other news, wouldn't it be weird to hit a pothole when you're on a plane? :S lmao srry…
Oh yea i remember now…lolz srry i'm kinda woooooosh right now… lol anywho…im not entirely sure how many ppl know that i hack…me and Sahm actually get together and like hack stuff like once a week(only on tuesdays) lmfao… umm yea…(btw i'm not insane…) and so iunno im not sure if my parents know about HBH but they did see me on HTS a while back…which reminds me, i havent been on hts in a while…
Anywho…umm yea i forget where i'm going with this…
OH yea…sorry i keep getting distracted…noises are funny. lol. but yeah so the school tech teacher knows that me and sahm hack…and iunno…he seems to want to help…which is very convenient… but yea…so my parents don't seem to care about the hacking, but i think they realize how illegal my phreaking is… lmao u shoulda heard the lecture my dad gave me when i asked him to buy me a tone dialer…. lmao it was pretty funny he took me to get one anyway, on the condition that i don't do anything illegal…(did i mention i'm a pathological liar?:P) lol so yeah…we ended up going to a computer store….they don't sell phone stuff there btw… but w/e we had to find that out the hard way…
Anywho i'm rambling again…so i'll stop. Ever notice how airplanes are like buses? only without roads and shit? oh and you can't open the windows…:/ lolz okay… well…i'll stop there… -Caity@)-`-
Hmm,
I'd say judging from the number of "hacking" books I currently own (about seven), and how I spend hour after hour on the computer… Yes, I'd say my parents pretty much know.
Knowing my dad owns a rather large business and has a website for it, I decided to see what he knew. I started talking about how he was running an old version of Apache, and had a numerous amount of security problems. He gave me an odd look (I can only guess not knowing much of what I was talking about). So I showed him what I meant, testing the same concept out on another website. The results I got tell me he is (not suprisingly) pretty media biased.
Also, the "robots.txt" in the sites root gave away certain directories that included admin login pages. I showed him a few of these files on other large websites, and he kind of freaked out. He was like "Get out of their files, now! You'll get caught!" I just sighed and said, "it's like a list. A public list of stuff the web masters don't want people to be able to find using a search engine." He told his friends about it, how I am such a "hacker", laughing.
My parents are always doubting my skill due to the fact that I am only 13. They'll see. Maybe if it wasn't for all the doubt I recieve from everyone, I would have stayed with security… Damn the public age and media bias.
MafiaLord wrote:
Also, the "robots.txt" in the sites root gave away certain directories that included admin login pages. Robots.txt isnt in root, it's just in the folder where all the pages are. Meh. But yeah, at first my parents were like 'wtf you are a hax0r? n03s!!' and i was like 'dont worry i am 1337 but i will be good'. lol that's it, in a nutshell :p
well my mom finially found out…..she was peaking over my shoulder and i was on this site, she flipped on me. and i turned to her and was like quit being a sterotypical person, hackers are not bad people all of the time, we are just trying to further our knowledge in the web, and in computers, we help to secure what others have built up. after i said that she shut up and walked away, my parents have 'thought' ive started an interest but it nvr came up before this. my mom hasnt asked me about it since. i dont know if she has told my dad, and if so he hasnt said shit to me yet. i dont think he likes the idea of me hacking tho… if he knows lol -hackthis-
btw the only reason i knew what to tell my mom was reading through this thread before, so thanks for all of the help guys, and gals :D
When my parents found out about my hacking, they weren't to pleased. I guess it would have helped it they hadn't found about my phreaking a few days earlier. After a long lecture from them, i decided to make my point, it never really set in though. After awhile they just stopped caring, which is i guess is better than them peering over my shoulder every couple minutes….
i fail to see how its a big deal though.
if you tell them/they find out, and they get mad etc, then its just them over reaction due to over media-isation. so just take a couple mins and explain to them how retarded they are, and how they coudlnt be more wrong.
let them view a few pages on HBH and im sure they'll change their minds.
I live in Ireland so I find it different to most of the people here. My parents dont care about what i do ( in fact they prefer I spend my time on HBH! they hate when I spend ages playing counter strike or somthing!)
We often go on HBH in school, or on other hacking sites. so long as you have your work done, the teachers dont care. One teacher even asks how im progressing! Im taking Java classes after school at the moment. We usualy get given a bit of code or a brief and we have to fix it, or write the code. Since me and my friend are usualy done first, (plus our own fixxes and additions) we go to HBH, and no ones pays attention! The friend is the son of our computer teacher!
Basicly the point of this post is to say that its not just the parents that can forgive you the 8th deadly sin of being an evil hacker, other people can too. You just have to find the ones who know hackers dont want to break into grandma johnsons computer just to delete all her tax returns for a joke! they understand that there are different types of personality and "hacker" is not one. We are all different people and you can be a hacker and do things like what the "the HBH Team" do or like what the "Anarchy-99" team do, good things or malitious things. the person must accept you as "you" and not as "hacker"
This post is too long already so this is the end.;)
[edit] bad joke removed!
lol yeah i completely agree with that. I spend the majority of my time on the comp, and my parents think i spend too much time on it. They also think i just play solitaire all day, even though they know i hack…so yesterday my parents told me to get off the comp and do something useful, so i went for a 7 hour walk(literally like 7 hours) and they got even more pissed cuz they didn't know where i was and never thought of calling my cell… lol.
wolfmankurd wrote: Lol, people dont know that i hack but joke that Im that kinda dude, Im kinda school, clever person (dont want to say geek/nerd/etc.)
is exactly me, except i can't hack for shit :P
my parents wouldn't care if they thought i hacked or not, i think they think i know i'm responsible for my own actions and so i can do nearly anything :P
i tell them when i bunk off college, which is lucky because one time i got a letter for it and if i had made up some excuse then they would have killed me (they hate it when i lie to them)
yeh. My mom doesn't seem to care what I do on the computer, as long as I don't have anything else "useful" to do. It seems that if she finds me on the computer, she doesn't stop lecturing me or giving me looks for nearly an hour, and it often ruins the rest of the day if it happens more than once. She tells me I need to start getting to bed earlier, though I've been getting nearly 7 hours of sleep every night, quite a bit by most hacker's standards. Still, the only time I find to use the computer is at night, and once I've been on for 15 minutes then she starts to tell me I either need to take a shower or get to bed. It drives me buggy.
My dad doesn't really care as much how much I use the computer. He's just concerned about wether I'm "getting in trouble." It's hard to exlain to him what I'm doing usually, due to his comlete incompetence in computers, but I try. Though he is more affected by the media's definition of a hacker.
sorry it's so long
My dad thinbks its cool i can hack and knows that im a whitehat(kinda). My mum…erm…she hates it because of the fucking media. My sister(lawyer..eeep!)…well she hates that i hack but beleives that if something can be hacked very easily then you should hack it but if it is a site that's near impossible to hack then you shouldn't hack.
Do we not have any people who know how to speak proper english here? it is all Yuh Muh Tuh Cuh Puh Fuh Phuh and crap like that. say Yes or Yeah. Take the extra 2 seconds it takes to input the spare letters so you do not sound like an idiot who does not know what a real word looks like :S Please I am getting tired or this "yuh muh dad…" crap. no offence but it takes literally 1 second more to put "yeah my dad…" so please just write proper words.
AldarHawk wrote: Do we not have any people who know how to speak proper english here? it is all Yuh Muh Tuh Cuh Puh Fuh Phuh and crap like that. say Yes or Yeah. Take the extra 2 seconds it takes to input the spare letters so you do not sound like an idiot who does not know what a real word looks like :S Please I am getting tired or this "yuh muh dad…" crap. no offence but it takes literally 1 second more to put "yeah my dad…" so please just write proper words.
Looks like you're just not hip anymore, AldarHawk.
Actually, I agree with you. I don't even mind it when people forget a few bits of punctuation, but is typing "yuh muh dad" actually any quicker than typing "yes my dad".
The answer? No. No it isn't.
BobbyB wrote: but is typing "yuh muh dad" actually any quicker than typing "yes my dad".
Well, the letters are closer together, so i guess if you were REALLY REALLY lazy, then it'd be less trouble. or if you were like…4 years old and still typing w/ one finger trying to figure out where the keys are, it'd be acceptable.
FLASH_ wrote: Oh my, Seriously, BobbyB, i suggest you compile all of the posts/shouts/pm's you have made and sell them on this site. I for one would pay good money. You find ways to degrade and downtalk to people without using a foul word or bringing their mother into it. Top marks!
I can't tell if there was sarcasm involved there or not…
My parents plain old just dont care. I occasionally get the "dont bring cops to my door" speech from my mother, but thats not real bad.
Occasionally I even help her. She was taking an online course to get certified for the job she has been doing for over 5 years now, and the website wouldnt allow her to log on. There was a small problem in the GET part of the URL and within a few minutes I logged her on. She thought it was really neat.
CaityT3hAw3som3 wrote:
Well, the letters are closer together, so i guess if you were REALLY REALLY lazy, then it'd be less trouble. or if you were like…4 years old and still typing w/ one finger trying to figure out where the keys are, it'd be acceptable.
Actually my 4 year old daughter types better than that and she cannot even spell a lot of words yet!!!
So truthfully one would have to be very lazy to type lik that.
I find it actually takes a little more time to type yuh than yes because the keys are all the same finger as opposed to yes which is 3 fingers :P But to each his own…
BobbyB…Yes I am not hip…I am an old fart compared to most of the people here so you are right there…Though I do wish I was hip…always thought I would be the "hip dad" that his daughter looks up to :P
At school, I'm kinda the dude that everyone ask when they have technical problem even if I don't know the answer half of the time. The funniest I ever heard at school is that someone though I hacked the school system even if it was never hacked.
My parent don't know at all what I'm doing … I can go on porn site and they will never know because I use Firefox and my parent IE. Also I would'nt talk too much of hacking to my parent … my mum don't even want that I install anything on his portable, she is uber scare of virus and stuff like that. It's getting pattetic … I can't even install something on the computer I use (its the computer that my father, mum and me use). If i do my parent always shout at me even if it's a lite thing, they want to keep the absolute control of the computer.
The only good thing is that I'm getting my own computer in few month and I will get the full control of it !!! Also I might begin to let the article about true hacker open and me gone.
AldarHawk wrote: Do we not have any people who know how to speak proper english here? it is all Yuh Muh Tuh Cuh Puh Fuh Phuh and crap like that. say Yes or Yeah. Take the extra 2 seconds it takes to input the spare letters so you do not sound like an idiot who does not know what a real word looks like :S Please I am getting tired or this "yuh muh dad…" crap. no offence but it takes literally 1 second more to put "yeah my dad…" so please just write proper words. K4N J00 2P34K 1N 3L8 H4X0R 741K?! K3N J00 H4X0R 73H G1B20N?!?!!?!?!?!?!?
media shmedia. My mum thought the UK hacker who broke into the US systems was a genius. Then when i told her the script he wrote was only written in perl i was questioned about me being able to hack into the us.
After i rofl'ed for a while…i played dumb and showed her the interview with the guy and said i looked into it. muahhaaaaaaaaaaaa. besides, my mum thought we had a virus wheni heard her scream 'the computer…gahhh the computer, what is this what is this!!!!' /me looked to see the egg timer on a page loading.
Howeverrrr… my step mum, is head of computer security of one of the top 10 universities in the UK. she always brags about how she can stop people hacking and blah blah. I dont listen when talks to me, first off i don't value her opinion, secondly she is most probably talking shit.
then my dad knows a few programming languages but i think he made one up when i was talking to him about it, it was a mixture of binary, basic and php. pfff! nevertheless, i prove them wrong ever so subtley without making it too obvious this is what i do in my spare time.
I also hate people who say 'are you a hacker'. the word 'hacker' is affiliated with fuckwitts guessing peoples hotmail secret question and i'd rather be called a geek.
Also when cheese said 'it is always the people who have absolutely no clue on the subject that end up forcing their pathetic unjust negative views', that applies for everything ever made, said or though of.
my dads ok with it because he knows what command prompt does and wat linux is and stuff so hes cool with it all. lol. its not like i can do anything really big is it? im not gonna change my grades or something like that . no way .(not that i could anyway, too amateur for that ). its just a "fun new skill to learn".
Actually, my parents brought up defensive points over that case where that english guy caused millions of damage to the US defence system looking for information about aliens. My mother and father both agreed and stated that it's wrong to just give up a citizen to another countrys court and that england government should of said we will deal with the trial as it should be. Where as american's will obviously want him executed. Execution in england was not only banned unless a super extreme situation comes up (e.g. Assasination of the queen of england) and we would probably give a more fair punishment anyway.
When ever i can i try to educate my family on I.T., the difference between hackers and crackers and how the media gets it wrong and gives hackers a bad name. I also try to tell them how some programs work and advise them on security on the family computer (as i have my own). Although, the typical male, english father obviously makes out he knows everything and he knows so much more about computers than me. The typical, english mother from a working class family doesn't know how to send an email or even access the internet when a big CONNECT sign is in her face. But yes i try as any other hacker would. There starting to dislike my connection with pc's and knowledge of hacking as my uncle just got out of a 3 year sentence for cracking a phone service and dodging all his phone bills.
My dads the computer teacher in my school and hes paying me to try and get through a SQL thing the principal bought for the results and absences to be stored in (it cost three grand!!). My mother is a computer retard. she came and saw me on HBH and asked what is hacking.. she hadnt even heard of it. she muttered something about "dont get any viruses" that my dad says when im on warez sites, coz she presumed their the same. i actually nearly pissed myself laughing.
When my dad asked about the site I explained to him what whitehat was and that the site was completely about patching and computer programming. He believed me :o. But then he asked "why is it called hellbound hackers" I replied " becauase we all think hackers are very bad people and we wan them to go to hell" he then said "whatever I know you hack". Also my dad thinks noob is a great insult.
It was pretty much my families fault I got into hacking. They got me the computer. They bought me the books on programming. They let me enter the chat rooms. They let me hang around with the system administrator(Also a white hat) at my cousins business(Web programming) they dont care. as long as I can fix the computers its fine.
I always play on HBH when my mom is in the room, I'll see her peek over my shoulder to see what I am doing and she doesn't say anything. I also left some urban defacement papers out on my desk in my room, she came in and looked at them and she was pissed because "I used her photo paper instead of regular paper." I don't think she really cares because I get straight A+'s in my computer class and I am able to fix the computer.
My dad thinks its all cool and crap because he works with PLC's (computers) at his power plant which run the whole damn place.
I told them I want to be a computer tech/programmer when I'm done with colledge, so I guess it is alright with them as long as I am learning shit.
lol dude i dun kno abt you, but my mother and me are verry interested in2 making myself a hacker, but my problem is that i cant learn by myself.. i get tired easylle. the thingy is that i need some1 to stand naer me and help me.. if u guys kno any treatment for unbeying able 2 stay concentrated pls send me an email at imtheshade@yahoo.com .Really do.
When I first got into phones, I was a war dial addict. I'd scan a range for hours at end, and the phone bill certainly showed that! My parents started questioning my actions. I told them the truth; I was very interested in telecommunications and was simply exploring the system. They were always suspicious about what exactly I was doing, but who could blame them? I explained my hobby; I liked exploring technology.
When I started getting obsessive about computers, they got a bit concerned. They never really got "mad", they were happy that someone my age had found their interest (I'm 13), but they wanted to make sure I wasn't going to get in any sort of legal trouble… Which I already have in the past.
I suppose it does sound a bit suspicious when you are on the phone saying you're John Smith from corporate tech support.
So yes, parents can be annoying. They don't usually understand the whole hacker and phreak scene I suppose, but they're parents. What do you expect? Try explaining to them the difference between hacking and cracking. Make it very clear and they may finally get it.
ah my phreaky friend, i have one question to ask someone who has wardialed, nowadays is there ANYTHING whatsoever left in way of dial-in computers… :( i wish i was born like 10 years earlier… i was born the "golden age of hacking" ended :( i even look for old OSes to run (havnt found any like UNIX-4 with Gnu-Emacs to exploit the mail bug used in my favoritue book "The Cuckoos Egg") or true Phreaking….
Why so upset? I am still able to do a lot of "old school" phone phreaking these days. Stop for a second and take a look at the technology around you. It's all advanced since back then, hasn't it? There wasn't ever a "golden age" for hacking. Hacking is still very alive, even more alive since then actually, and will never die. Sure, analog was fun when it was really common, but is it practical to keep such old technology? There are still many things you can do these days with phones. There really isn't a reason to be upset over it.
Oh and FYI, modems are a lot more common then you think ;).
My mum and dad so badly know i do it, cause my annoying little sister annouces loudly,
LOVELY LITTLE SISTER (NOT): Oh, whats that web page, What do you do on hellboundhakers… mum mum tans hacking stuff!
Tancurrom: FCK OFF YOU RETARD, WHAT THE FCK DO YOU THINK IM DOING ON A SITE CALLED HELLBOUNDHACKERS.
Mum: **** the dum ass media has made me believe that hackers are terible people that dont do anything to help others, hmmm. Ill think that tancurrom is doing terible things on the computer, hmm, wont let him on it so much ***
This all = tancurrom pissed off!
http://www.cs.wright.edu/~pmateti/InternetSecurity/Lectures/Ethics/index.html
Read some articles about REAL hacking some days, not simulations. http://www.cs.wright.edu/~pmateti/InternetSecurity/Lectures/Top/index.html
I REALLY! want to tell my dad. He is a computer guy also. He has his own computer buisness. But the thing is, if i tell him he will take my computer away!
And you know the thing i hate the most. EVERY time when i tell him i know how to do something, he NEVER believes that i might be smarter than him in that(computer related). He is always going into this junk like "i went to college for this yadeyadeya" I'm just fed up. I really want to show him that im smarter than him in something, like hacking!
Any advice??
dennisfree wrote: I REALLY! want to tell my dad. He is a computer guy also. He has his own computer buisness. But the thing is, if i tell him he will take my computer away!
And you know the thing i hate the most. EVERY time when i tell him i know how to do something, he NEVER believes that i might be smarter than him in that(computer related). He is always going into this junk like "i went to college for this yadeyadeya" I'm just fed up. I really want to show him that im smarter than him in something, like hacking!
Any advice??
Im in the same situation, sorta.
What I would do is ask to have a converstation with him about computers, and show him how smart you are.
Im in the same situation, sorta.
What I would do is ask to have a converstation with him about computers, and show him how smart you are.
oooooooo no. i cant do that. u see he works for t-mobile. (actuall job. not selling phones.) and runs a computer busness. i cant ever show him anyhting because he always says hes busy…
My mom doesn't know anything about computers.. She doesn't even know how to start a computer! :D So i always just stay on HBH when my mom comes in.. But if my dad knew that i hack, he would take my computer because he thinks that all hackers are evil criminals and shit, and i don't think i can make him think that hacking also has a good side, so he doesn't know that i hack. And it's only my best friend that know i hack, but the rest of my friends only know that i can do some stuff, because i'm the computer geek of my class, but they don't know i really hack.. :)
How did I overcame my parents caring? I never let them know. I know so much more about computers than both of them combined it's not even funny. I've covered all my tracks, I never let them know about it. I've purchased books on PHP and MySQL. When they ask why I tell them the truth "I'm trying to learn it." Then the obvious next question: "What does it do?" to the (again honest) reply "It's used for forums and databases." That completely looses them. I never let them know what I do on the internet, and they rarely ask. Works just fine.
I think most people have the common misconception of hackers because they really don't know what it is. When I first started learning about hackers I had the stereotypical view of them, and it intrigued me. Now I've learned what they really are, and that's just fine with me. I was terrified at first to listen to any advice. I thought they'd all try to trick me into downloading their viruses and have me destroy my computer, the whole time laughing at me and calling me a noob. I felt if I was smart enough I could learn what to avoid and eventually be one of them. But, thankfully, none of the forums were at all like that. I went to HTS and did the basics, taking advice and learning lots.
I still get crap from my brother though. "You've got spyware from all those hacker sites you go to." Ugh…
My entire imediate family doesn't care. My borhter just says, and I quote "As long as you don't screw with the network, we're good." It's pretty cool.
My mom however (she isn't imediate, she tends to distance herself) Hates all hackers and thinks they are very malicious and evil people…. She watches Foxx News…
willeH wrote: Nobody knows what i do, i live 2 lives.
Plus, if they did find out and disapproved of it…they would definately lose their tech support, as I am my parents only hope.
Dad: Son, how do I turn the TV part of the computer on. Son: Dad, what are you talking about? Mom: He is talking about the picture shower. Son: THE MONITOR!!!!!http://www.hellboundhackers.org/fusion_images/smiley/crap.gif http://www.hellboundhackers.org/fusion_images/smiley/crap.gif
I don't really have the problem of my parents getting mad at me for hacking, I have the problem of them limiting my time on the computer. On weekdays, Im only allowed on from 6pm to 8pm, and on weekends, Im only allowed 6 hours a day. It really gets annoying because I do web development work, and when I try to tell them that, they don't believe me. But about hacking, my dad knows that I program, and he assumed that I hack (and he was right), and he doesn't really care unless I do something very illegal. My step mom though, doesn't know about anything I do. What I really hate is that I live with my dad and step mom who are computer illiterate, and my mom and step dad who are both programmers live in Ireland :@
lol… sadly a bunch of my friends know im a "computer nerd" … which in a way isnt a bad thing, whereas they come to me to fix their computers…so ive made quite a good amount of money for simple fixes
they always ask me if i can find ways aruond the schools network, and i just simply tell them "our administrators are idiots…do some research, u can find easy ways around"
then theres the parents factor… my entire family knows i love computers…and they know exactly what im learning. i tell them i want to be a network administrator, in order to be good, u must know how to hack your network to secure it! then i asked for 2 cheap computers to hook up on a network and practice hacking…which i did :-D … so thye support my needs… they just say "if the FBI comes… im not taking the b lame" lol
My parents don't give a damn aboot my hacking(if you can even CALL what I do 'hacking' lol) Only been in trouble with my ISP once. Got in a lot of shit for that(1 month's grounding, talked my way out of 4 years.) My parents were shocked to see me back here afterward, but they just stopped caring. It used to be a 'Don't do anything illegal, we don't want the cops at our doorstep'. Shortly after, my brother got into a bunch of shit with the cops, so my parents just don't give a damn aboot keeping stuff legal anymore. Their only concern with this now is that I spend too much time on my computer.
Ive posted before, but mom doesnt know much about me hacking. She knows ive been programming perl exploits and learning C++.. yet. She is pretty good with computers, but I know more on them, therefor she asks me to help her keep her computer running. I also help my friend on his network (20 computers) no big deal, but I help to keep it secure and learn alot more.
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wow, im very very lucky, my parents are very proud, and inspire me to hack. my dad's a computer expert and helps me sometimes. my mom thinks it's so great I have something thats fun and philosiphical. my parents arent very happy with our government. all they say is "dont hurt anybody inocent with hacking and we will support you".
My mum says that i shud keep legal and trys to be disaproving but at the same time is always askin me to help her with really basic things LOL. when i was talkin 2 my dad he was reallly disaproving but i nolonger hav that problem so the ony ppl who really are bothered are my school network admins LOL
In a nearby electronics store, my mom walked up when I was looking through "Hacking Mac OS X", and she flipped out. She started asking why I have books that have the word Hack in them, and why I'm on websites about hacking. She told me that if I kept buying these books, the feds would have me on a "list" and that I'd be arrested in a flash. That didn't go over well at all. My dad heard about it, and hes like, you gotta be kiddin, they're not gonna put him on a list for being curious about computers, and it just went back and forth.
Lol then the other day, we were talking about bank accounts , and my moms just like, eventually something bad is going to happen and "the hackers" are gonna get your bank account. And I just kinda casually replied in a way of me implying being a hacker and too good to be hacked (which isn't true, i was just trying to imply the being a hacker part) :D So really, its all about the type of day shes having, which is retarded. Some days she'll flip out over nothing, like about the book, and other days, shes curious and asks questions, even lets me show her stuff.
i agree, i've tried with my dad, hes cool with it my mom is kinda, hence why she tries to get interested
but sometimes i do minimize stuff quick when i'm discussing hacking or if i'm coding, and she gets suspicious when i make stuff "fly off the screen when she walks in". Like im a silent ninja :ninja: or something.
My parents are the "I don't care what you do but I'm not going to take the blame if the police come" type. People in school generally ask me for help with their computers, although it does get annoying when they ask me "So, you hacked any IP servers?".
The IT staff at my school are a totally different story though. They get pissed off with me for helping them.
foofoo wrote: they dont like the whole "HellBound" word tho. :(i never tell my parents my dad doesnt think of hacking the right way he thinks hacking is defacing sites delevering viruses, but when i say im interested in computer security he gets enthusiastic and asks me if i can, then he tells me i should learn, i donno i need to show him who a hacker really is lol:o
My parents know. When I first started they were afraid that I would start a nuclear war (thanks wargames). They had this sort of quiet disapproval about it. Once their pc crashed and I fixed it they started to trust me a little. I started showing them a few things here and there now their actually interested in it. What's really cool is that now my dad is really getting in to it. Heh, he even helped me with a couple challenges.
I know that a lot of people are terrified of hacking though. Once or twice just someone jokingly calling me a hacker has nearly cost me my job and some of my coworkers blame hackers for everything from spam to global warming.
I wish there was a one-click-fix for people's paranoia but I guess you just gotta feel it out. Some people have been totally cool about me hacking and some have been complete arse bandits. Nowadays, I just stick to the web and only tell people I trust. Maybe the paranoia swings both ways.
well my parents don't really mind partly because i went into programming before hacking for a while now and i have a focus primarily on programming then hacking and yeh i guess im the IT engineer at my house fixing all the mums and dads comp all the time although i managed to get them some new software so it wouldn't screw up and yeh its a hobbie so they don't see anything wrong with it.
My parents know. They underestimate me though. I control all the computers at my house. I technically own them all. My school gives me a laptop and I'm afraid I'm gonna get in trouble for going to sites like:
www.milw0rm.com www.hellboundhackers.org etc. etc. etc.
So yea, I told my mom about it all right away, my dad doesn't even say anything about it. The problem is I have to totally teach myself on the computer only. No books. No classes. Nothing. Plus I have to go fix them when anything goes wrong. I hate it. I might just stop because of the situation. Part of the reason the media doesn't get them might be that we don't have T.V. I dunno.
ZeckOwner wrote: I'm afraid I'm gonna get in trouble for going to sites like:
http://www.hellboundsecurity.org - theres your solution!
The problem is I have to totally teach myself on the computer only. No books. No classes. Nothing. Plus I have to go fix them when anything goes wrong. I hate it.
thats how i learnt. best way to learn, you learn so much more and get much more experiance by self teaching. its hard to begin with, but dont be put off, very rewarding in the end.
I thought my mom would flip about it, but she was actually really calm about it. I don't think she knows I'm hacking per say but she knows I program and she knows I'm pretty "computer literate". She does get really pissed off though cause I'm on the computer a lot. My dad's really cool about it. He always lets me mess with his computers and stuff and always trusts what I do. If he did know I was hacking, in which he probably does, he wouldn't care he'd just say, "Don't get caught." My mother would probably flip though if she knew I was hacking. But alas, neither has found out and I hope to keep it that way. But if anyone else gets problems from their parents and they try to stop you, just don't let em. My mom's tried to stop me from doing things before and it never worked if I stood strong in my opinion. So just keep pushing it and maybe eventually they'll leave you alone, or maybe they won't, but either way, if you love something like hacking or programming or something like skating. Don't let anyone stop you.
Wow, I wrote a lot. And oh yea, this spell check on here is really nice, but sadly it hasn't stopped anyone from spelling like a tard.
Hehe… my dad was watching me telnet his new mail server the other day (he just set up a new one with work or something) he just laughed hehe. He knows I hack and I'm pretty sure my mum does :D They both know that I wont do anything bad and if I do I wont get caught :P (not meaning to boast or anything there btw)
I've been hacking pretty much everyday at school in form 'n' stuff and I'm pretty sure my form tutor actually knows :P He's an IT teacher so when he walked up behind me as I Alt+Tabbed about of cmd I'm sure he would notice it. He's a pretty nice guy with me though for some reason lol. Might be 'cause he knows I like IT 'n' stuff :P. And admins… well there are three at my school. One's called Ben… he's been around since before I came to this school and he's kinda strict hehe. If he caught me hackin' he'd disable my account 'n' tell my form tutor 'n' stuff. The other is called Pete… the one that couldn't care less just does what he has to do around school basically and doesn't pay attention to much else, but if he did catch me hackin' he's probably tell Ben… not sure though… he's never caught me lol. And then there's Paddy… he's a nice guy xD He caught me a few times in the past and he just said that as long as I tell him if I find something, he wont do anythin' :P
Well that was a whole lot o' pointless info for ya… My point is the people around me know, but they know (or think) I wont do anythin' bad so they're all okay with it :P
Phantomchaser wrote: My parents know. When I first started they were afraid that I would start a nuclear war (thanks wargames). They had this sort of quiet disapproval about it. Once their pc crashed and I fixed it they started to trust me a little. I started showing them a few things here and there now their actually interested in it. What's really cool is that now my dad is really getting in to it. Heh, he even helped me with a couple challenges.
I know that a lot of people are terrified of hacking though. Once or twice just someone jokingly calling me a hacker has nearly cost me my job and some of my coworkers blame hackers for everything from spam to global warming.
I wish there was a one-click-fix for people's paranoia but I guess you just gotta feel it out. Some people have been totally cool about me hacking and some have been complete arse bandits. Nowadays, I just stick to the web and only tell people I trust. Maybe the paranoia swings both ways.
^^ have to agree there, but my parents both know i do it.. i've even taught my dad a few tricks, and he keeps showing me new things everyday. My mom doesnt really mind, as long as it doesnt ruin 'her computer (secondary/backup HD)' or get our internet disabled/ police at the door. but at school, all my close friends know, and they boast they know a 'hacker', and everyone else knows they are talking about me. i get requests to tell them how to hack MySpace/Xanga all the time.. gets annoying, and others dont want me near their computers. our Admin knows that i use my knowlege for good, and she first taught me for to remote use printer sharing ( now use it to print my papers in the teachers room so i dont have to at home, Plus the paper is never late:D ) and she is always pulling me out of class to help her with the various tasks they have. my Computer teacher is IT trained, and only lets me on a VERY restricted computer to make sure i dont do any 'harm' to the computer, but she keeps on forgetting about false Explorer.exe 's and ending process, and opening real one.
Wow.. that was ALOT that i typed… i guess in short, everybody knows, and most dont care, but dont want me on thier systems
like willeH said and superpimp said i live two lives. The first one, my parents see the hacker side of me and have seen some of the stuff i have done, they are private investigations and sometimes try to pay me to hack into peoples e-mails and find informations on them. i have at one time hacked an e-mail for them but never again because it was pointless to do it plus it was before i got into learning about hacking and the philosiphy behind it. A lot of my friends know im a computer guru and that i know a hell of alot compared to them, and they get me to get all kinds of stuff for them, but they have never seen me do stuff that i would spend all night working on The second life is one only a very select few know about.
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moshbat wrote: my mum knows.. i.e. if i'm on a website "you'd better not hack that" "i'm not" "well don't" etc…
and she told school to ban me from using the computers. thankfully, they didn't - but told my mum they did :p:D now i'm banned from the "main computer" so i use my secret one..lol. a laptop hidden in a monopoly box, with a internet cable (30 meters long lol) hidden under the carpet… and she STILL hasn't noticed that there are two cables in the modem :p:D..
hahahaha xD How did you get a secret computer without your mum knowing?
I think my mom's finally starting to realize what i really do when I'm on the computer. Haha. She knows bits and pieces about computers, and she used to be against me being on the computer all the time and was really suspicious. But then I just showed her some programming I was doing and some websites I was making, and all of a sudden she kinda realized that I was actually doing something productive, XD. So yea, I don't know it's weird.
my mom thinks its really cool. she thinks it will help me in future computer related career options. so im like "wow thanks mom!". my stepdad thinks its not the best thing to do but hes set up another computer in my room for programming. how nice is that? lol
now my dad on the other hand. the real programmer of the family has been working with computers for almost 30 years now i think. he knows like everything there is to know about the internet, computers, hacking, programming, everything. he thinks i should quit it. hes came in to my room and seen me at this site. hes seen jtr and cain and he was like um what are you doing? lol he thinks i should quit it because i can get into a lot of trouble. like a whole lot. oh well. lol i think its fun.
he says "you need to quit attempting things like that" and i say "dont worry. lol i wont do it at school".
i do it anyways. oh well. i tell him its more of a culture or a philosophy. a way of thinking. plus its a nice hobby.
I left my computer screen once with HBH on and my parents took my computer away for a month. My dad saw me at his office on HTS and "interrogated" for and hour about why i was on a hacking website…and then took my computer again. Then he talked to my mom about it who took away my cell phone. My parents will never believe that hacking isnt shameful..its just plain there.
On the other hand my LA teacher + the librarian at my school have no problem with it and as long as my grades keep up they let me on websites to learn more during study halls (i get some for LA and i go to the library during regular)
Mr_Cheese wrote: [quote]ZeckOwner wrote: I'm afraid I'm gonna get in trouble for going to sites like:
http://www.hellboundsecurity.org - theres your solution!
The problem is I have to totally teach myself on the computer only. No books. No classes. Nothing. Plus I have to go fix them when anything goes wrong. I hate it.
thats how i learnt. best way to learn, you learn so much more and get much more experiance by self teaching. its hard to begin with, but dont be put off, very rewarding in the end.
yeah i taught myself, but my parents think the internet going slow because of bad connection. Very parranoyed so i got into computers to fix it.. but my parents well i dont think mind it i do'nt ever talk like hey mommy i hacked a site :) but they've seen the hbh website and i just saidi like the programming challenges B)
People at school, always ask to hack myspaces which i think was funny. The worst part is i could before the filtered .swf or something in the comments. But my friends always ask why i hack and it's stupid. No support just from like 1 people well i guess my parents but the 1 person is kris from norway he's the one that helps me mostly besides like when i ask system_meltdown and whoever else is on MSN but my parents are just like wtf.
The first time my dad saw me on HBH, he sort of chuckled and said "Hacking?" He really doesn't mind because now I actually have some motivation to learn some programming languages. He has been trying to get me to work on it for about 3 years and messed around with it half heartedly, but the challenges on HBH got me to see some stuff I could do, so I started going at it. To be honest, I can't call myself a hacker because every challenge I have done, I have had some idea of what I was looking for thanks to the descriptions, but to be a hacker you don't always know what you are looking for. My dad is technically a certified genius by MENSA and is a College professor and trusts enough in the fact that I am not gonna do anything stupid (even if I could).
My parents have different opinions about hacking(or computing in general). My mom is a bit clueless why would i want to learn how to hack and stuff like that.She even asked me what's the benefit of building my own system as she deemed it as a waste of time.(I didn't even get around due to lack of cash)My dad is cool about it.He said it's fine as long as you have some sense of ethics and don't destroy and steal other people's stuff,and if i wanted to write a virus,it's fine just don't unleash it to the world.He was a bit of a hacker in his college days,playing around with the Apple][s,IBMs,VAX/VMS systems,TRS-80s,some Commodore machines available in his college.He always told me on how he and a bunch of friends would make ASCII art on the school machinery and the games he used to play and the BBSs he logged on.He loved doing ASCII art and playful programming,but he was an economics major so it wasn't much of a use to him.
My parents used to not beleive me, and laugh when i told them i could hack. This was when i was only 13 years old using hackerslab.org lol. i could really hack all that good yet. as i got older, and they watched me on the computer they finally started to realize that there little boyv(now 17) is an actual hacker. They still didnt beleive i could hack majorly, they just thought that me getting free software from torrents and stuff was hacking. i explained to them that was not hacking, and they wanted me to prove to them exactly how good i was. the next day i brought them home 25,000 SSN on my USB drive. They know they cant stop me from doing it, so they just tell me to be carfull
xtwitchx wrote: My parents used to not beleive me, and laugh when i told them i could hack. This was when i was only 13 years old using hackerslab.org lol. i could really hack all that good yet. as i got older, and they watched me on the computer they finally started to realize that there little boyv(now 17) is an actual hacker. They still didnt beleive i could hack majorly, they just thought that me getting free software from torrents and stuff was hacking. i explained to them that was not hacking, and they wanted me to prove to them exactly how good i was. the next day i brought them home 25,000 SSN on my USB drive. They know they cant stop me from doing it, so they just tell me to be carfull
OMG 25,000 SSN!?! WOW you must REALLY be 1337! Or really stupid. Messing with SSN's will land you in prison. If you really DID get that many, I wouldn't be telling people, thats just as stupid as using sub7.
-Bl4ckC4t
okay look at this.
i haven't told my parents ANYTHING about my hacking life - the only thing they know about me is that i can crack a WEP wireless network. they don't know how i learned it, nothing about HBH or ANYTHING. ZIPPO.
so now i downloaded and burned the linux distro. Whax (formerly Whoppix) and labeled it with a sharpie, leaving it on my bed just 'cause i was lazy and didn't feel like putting it away. so my mom (who is the typical over-protective bullshit bitch) comes into the bathroom (i was brushing my teeth) and asked me what "W-H-A-X-three-point-oh" is. i, sensing something bad coming out of this, said that it's an alternative OS (like windows) that i can use if my computer crashes from a virus or something (hell no - it's a hacker's paradise linux distro.).
so then she begins to bitch and says well what do you need it for? i explained again. mind you, the only computer experience my mom has is using microsoft office, webmail, and paying bills online. she came complaining to me that she didn't know what she did but now she can't see the taskbar. ends up she made internet explorer fullscreen and didn't know how to put it out (dumbass).
anyways, out of nowhere, she begins saying i don't want you hacking, you hear me! (again, she knows nothing of what i do) she said that it's illegal (which she emphasized VERY clearly), and it's stealing, not to mention making me a derelict. i'm just standing there with my toothbrush in my mouth, laughing my ass off inside (i wouldn't dare show her my amusement), and she's there blowing her top about how hacking is bad. she even said that she didn't want me learning about it! she said that there was no need for it.
get a load of this - she said that hacking was bad, because people steal passwords, logins, and OPERATING SYSTEMS. :xx:
WTF?
now she said that she never wanted to catch me hacking, and that if i did get busted for it, she wasn't going to bail me out.
wow.
what the hell do i do here?
i can just not let her know for even longer. i've been doing this for a few months now under the radar - i can just keep going as i am. mind you, i've been also using bittorrent/p2p stuff and being a part of the video game emulation scene (a very grey area of the law) for years now).
sooooo, any suggestions? :)
heh, I'll put my story in here too.
my dad is an engineer, he's fairly knowledgeable about computers, punched Fortran cards back in the day, knows the basics of how the parts of a computer works, can generally use the computer at a higher level then the average end user. he's known for a while now that I'm interested in computers and programming, and is generally a big help with learning things. he's brought books home about using linux, basic assembly, how the parts of the computer work together, etc.
he found "john the ripper" installed on the computer, and flipped out because he believed symantec's warning that it was "spyware" and gave me a long lecture about downloading things without knowing the author and the source (I research this intricately before I download 99% of the things I use). I tried to explain to him that I was using it to experiment with the security of passwords I created, and yet he couldn't understand why I would need to do this, and kept ranting.
at the apex of this rant, he asked me straight up whether I'd been breaking into systems, "hacking". he told me that I was "too young and ignorant" to know what I was doing, and would surely get caught, and that it was illegal (he said it in that annoying patronizing way, "Do you know that hacking is ILLEGAL?!?!?!11?!one?!").
needless to say, I've kept my talk with him about my computing life away from the security end of things since then.
parents, can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em. ;)
damn your parents in most cases are fooled by media
well my parents are ok as i said previousy
my mom know i'm a hacker but she don't know what i exactly do so i told to she come and see what i do and i showed she how i made this list
after the show she said 'well i don't understand what you've done all i understood is that you are hacking'
and then i said
'what you have seen is not made by me all what i've done was to scout the site for vulnerabilities and others attacked it'
the response
'just be carefull'
my dad well he agree he even gived me some hacking manuals and books about programing
the main idea is that you need to know how to tell to your parents because diferent ppl act diverently
as the thread seems to have been resurrected ^_^ ill add my short story here
Well it seems ive lucked out with both of my parents.. my mother just tells me that when i get arrested, she's not coming to bail me out ^_^. otherwise she'll just fuss until i've finished with my defacement or whatever i'm doing at the time then, she seems proud at the end result.
My dad on the other hand, is all for it. He's got me into contact with a bunch of his old mates, one of which got into social security at age 14 and had 3 checks coming to the house monthly ^_^, cops busted down his door though >.<… but yea regardless my dad has always stood behind me, especially when i do stupid stuff to get me arrested.
But as the secret with anything that you have to tell parents show the the 'bright side' of what youre doing rather than the bad… it worked on my mom ^_^ and she flips about everything :D
Ok, well i think i'll post mine then…
Well i dont live with my dad so he knows nothing about it but when my mum found out i got into hacking and coding and shit she went crazy so i locked myself in my room for the weekend but now she seems to be fine coz she knows i wouldnt do anything malicious and i can use my skills to make money (thats when she started listening :p ) now she couldnt care less about what i do :happy: kinda short O.o
I don't really know my dad (lives abroad) so i don't care what he thinks. my mum knows and thinks it's cool. A little too much, to the point where she tells EVERYONE "this is my son, he's a hacker" which sucks. yeah thats about it, my sister doesn't know what a computer is o.0
and my cat loves it, watching the screen as if he doesn't know whats going on… (of course he does)
my father agree with me… i am not a real hacker, i just hacked few sites when i was young, now i dont using my knowledge to bad thinks… but my mother, she always calling me a bad dirty criminal etc. etc. i am trying to explain to her that i am not real hacker, i´m just solving challenges on hbh, etc. etc. but this wont help… in any case, i have all my data about hacking, manuals to challenges, software etc. etc. strongly cyphered on my linux partition, and nobody in my family dont know what the damn linux is so from parents and from my brother its safe… but from police and department?? i dont think so… :( i have harddisc free in computer, just grab it and throw it from window :D and i have a hotkey on a "guttman method" but… when i will be in the school?? :(
My parents don't even care if I am a black-hat. Just as long as I do it on sites like these and it is not illegal. My dad is actually talking about hiring me to work for him. He is head of like 20 people and handles all the money going out to retired teachers in Missouri. pm me back if you are up for a challenge.
This is a hacking site but I just gotta say that the vast majority of people here should not call themselves hackers. They come here and beat challenges that the answers are nearly given to them. Bla I don't call myself a hacker. Nobody should, it's not right.
I'm just interested in computers in every aspect. I'm actually going to go to college for networking and later go take fedora courses on Linux and network security.
hacking a a load of crap mostly. What you see here is old outdated stuff. You only "hack" a site when it's terribly outdated and unmanaged. Like 10 year old porn sites and crap.
whatever though. It's just how people are, jocks hang with jocks and call themselves that. Geeks hang with geeks and call themselves that. Hackers hang with hackers and call themselves that. (I know I'm being repetitive.)
My point is sometimes your hanging with your crowd and someone joins. Like I see a scrawny little guy on the football team. He ain't no jock but he calls himself one because he hangs with them. Even though the real jocks don't refer to him that way.
/rant
btw my parents know I like computers and I put it forth as a real, genius, and successful (money wise) career path to follow. There all for it and ask me for help with the computer before anyone else.
umm, my parents are cool with it. They know i won't actually hack anything i mean i might but prolly not unless someone makes me mad i might keylog a few people i don't like now and again but they got over it.. They think it's cool me being able to do stuff and they said stay with it so i can have a job. b.c i have shitty grades
p99 wrote: This is a hacking site but I just gotta say that the vast majority of people here should not call themselves hackers. They come here and beat challenges that the answers are nearly given to them. Bla I don't call myself a hacker. Nobody should, it's not right.
I'm just interested in computers in every aspect. I'm actually going to go to college for networking and later go take fedora courses on Linux and network security.
hacking a a load of crap mostly. What you see here is old outdated stuff. You only "hack" a site when it's terribly outdated and unmanaged. Like 10 year old porn sites and crap.
whatever though. It's just how people are, jocks hang with jocks and call themselves that. Geeks hang with geeks and call themselves that. Hackers hang with hackers and call themselves that. (I know I'm being repetitive.)
My point is sometimes your hanging with your crowd and someone joins. Like I see a scrawny little guy on the football team. He ain't no jock but he calls himself one because he hangs with them. Even though the real jocks don't refer to him that way.
/rant
btw my parents know I like computers and I put it forth as a real, genius, and successful (money wise) career path to follow. There all for it and ask me for help with the computer before anyone else.
Some of your points are simply not right.
Yeah there are heaps of people here who call themselves hackers who shouldn't.
If you have read up on it, and know about hacker culture, the going thing is that you're a hacker when someone respected refers to you as such.
Hacker is a term of respect, and it shits me when it's not used as such. People who use he term "h4xz0r" and aren't taking the piss need to be shot.
The skills learned on this site as far as recent exploits, etc are not truly relevant, though RFI/LFI will always be exploitable. ALWAYS. There is a lot to be leanred from this site if you put your mind to it.
Yes that's true. I'd never call myself a hacker or coder. It's dumb because everywhere I go I find people i'm light years smarter than and other people who totally own me knowledge wise calling me a pathetic noob (those type of people do not get much respect). But I also have friends that are like super-leet smart but not cocky. I mean i'm just a wee little noob compared to them and i've taught them a few things.
Learning never stops in the computer world so you can never really be on top. Just really high up.
p99 wrote:
hacking a a load of crap mostly. What you see here is old outdated stuff. You only "hack" a site when it's terribly outdated and unmanaged. Like 10 year old porn sites and crap.
Ok i agree with most of your points, but i really felt like replying to this one!
"Hacking a a load of crap mostly" dont understand that bit do.. well yeah.
"What you see here is old outdated stuff." Big deal, yes some of the methods here are old methods that are patched in 99% of todays websites, but because of this the websites we view, use, abuse today are filled with code to stop these old exploits. so if you know all the old stuff, it can only help you understand "what that is doing."
"You only "hack" a site when it's terribly outdated and unmanaged. Like 10 year old porn sites and crap."
Hacking isnt just websites and porn. So when you hack a new website, for whatever reason, or try to find exploitable parts of it, and do and can successfully gain something from this (obvioulsy notifying the owner and helping him/her patch the problem ofcourse.B)) this is not hacking.
Yes that's true. I'd never call myself a hacker or coder. It's dumb because everywhere I go I find people i'm light years smarter than and other people who totally own me knowledge wise calling me a pathetic noob (those type of people do not get much respect). But I also have friends that are like super-leet smart but not cocky. I mean i'm just a wee little noob compared to them and i've taught them a few things.
I used to have an attitude like this, and then surpirsigly, while i was fixing a friends computer, bearing in mind m friend has limited interest in computers, i was trying to explain to him what may of happend and the generall ins and outs of the problem. He said to me "you know exactly whats going on here, and im never going to understand that, So you stick to the computer stuff, and ill stick with my guitars" he went on to say that if he tried to explain the inner workings of a guitar, i wouldt have a clue about it, which is correct, and that he dont know shit about compueters to put it simple. This made me think, that just becase someone dont know alot about computers, does in no way make me smarter than them, because they will know something, about something else that i dont know about. Beautiful really to think about.
well, my parents doesnt really know it all, they know i hack, but my dad ahs forgotten it, and my mum i told that im a white hat and i only hack websites where the admin asks me to xD… my mu is so sceptic she would um up te roof if she knew i was doing smthng like this :(.. also, yeah a cat is a good hacker pet, but my lizard walked over the keyboard once and he wrote 1337 ^^:D
root_op wrote: also, yeah a cat is a good hacker pet, but my lizard walked over the keyboard once and he wrote 1337 ^^:D
i doubt ur lizard did that as the chances are extremely low,unless you sort of placed it next to the 1 then the 3 then the 7.
my cat sometimes likes to come and have a look at what im doing by standing on the keyboard purring loudly and looking at me expectantly, i cant shove him off as id feel bad so its a bit of a dihlema :whoa:
if i was still in contact with my dad he would treat me to a lecture on how bad hacking is and why i will rpobably end up in court for hacking, which is funny seeing he once shat himself because i opened windows media player :D my mum and stepdad sorta know but dont really mind, they just say as long as we dont get the computer crime squad at the door. They even got me to get into a laptop which they'd forgotten the pass for.
koolkeith12345 wrote: not from the hbh'ers but from the chinese we are!! there are lots of hackers in china - the type that quietly hack into websites then put a bit of code in that may cause drive by downloads or cause popups.
Well as Firefox is getting more and more popular it's gonna get harder for them, in Europe about 27-28% of people use it, in Ireland specifically about 36-38% use it…
And to the people who say Internet Explorer is no less secure, it's just more targetted, that's not true at all, maybe the overall number of exploits could be equal, however the severity of exploits in Firefox cannot compare to the severity of exploits in IE because IE is built into Windows and has elevated permissions.
You can indeed exploit firefox, but the majority of these exploits can't be used to control anything more than Firefox and it's profile folders. A well made Internet Explorer exploit can easily install malware and download programs and run them without the users help
koolkeith12345 wrote: if you saw my test thread you will have seen that you can access cmd and calc and other programs if the user is running FF but has IE 7 installed on xp service pack 2.
Yeah I did see that… And obviously SOME exploits can be used like that, but considering it ONLY works if you also have IE7 and Windows Service pack 2 installed it's not really a firefox specific exploit is it? you can't do anything similar on other versions of Windows, or on Mac, Linux, BSD etc… It only affects users of IE7 and Windows XP service pack 2… Which would greatly reduce the amount of affected people, especially since I don't know anyone who uses Firefox AND has IE7, they either use IE7 or Firefox and the firefox users never upgraded IE
Happysmileman wrote: Yeah I did see that… And obviously SOME exploits can be used like that, but considering it ONLY works if you also have IE7 and Windows Service pack 2 installed it's not really a firefox specific exploit is it?
it isnt a FF specific exploit but you need FF for it to work. anyway i doubt it will last as both Mozilla and Microsoft are trying to patch it, as neither want to admit its their fault.
koolkeith12345 wrote: it isnt a FF specific exploit but you need FF for it to work. anyway i doubt it will last as both Mozilla and Microsoft are trying to patch it, as neither want to admit its their fault.
Mozilla already patched it, then about a week later, after claiming it wasn't their problem several times M$ decided they should bother to fix it
a-hack wrote: I think It's best not to tell anyone, because if something goes wrong and they know you're a hacker, guess who they're going to blame?
Agreed, though I find it worse when my friends are like "Hey I got this error message in Windows XP, what do I do?" and all I can say is "I told you yesterday, I haven't used Windows in months, when you fuck up Kubuntu let me know"
My dad is fine with what i do. He works for MacAffe as a software developer.
He's always willing to help me with any thing i don't understand and is quite excited i'm choosing a career in IT security rather then the Army.
On another note my cat manage to write "kgndh" on the keyboard, she's getting there bless her. :happy:
Darth_Pengo wrote: Just leave the hackers manifesto lying around somewhere im sure they'll get the idea
Usually Im nice and read a whole thread before posting, but I lol'd at that.
Edit: Alright so I read about 5pages. As its going on at my place, both my parents have bad eyesight and all my life I've been a anti "shoulder-glance" person so they still don't know I'm a hacker.
Sadly about half my school knows I'm a hacker. I have a few non-computer related friends that spread rumors to struggle up their primitive popularity system, but they only know about hacking our school website and a telnet email hack. Strangely my parents havn't heard any of this, nor has the school authority's. While trying to stay on topic, my "parental hacker", my computers teacher, actually knows about a quarter of his class are hackers. Hes guided me and some others through some basics and has a deal that he wont tell anyone as long as hes not asked by the FBI and that we don't tell anyone about him.
Out of the six hackers in the class, not one has attempted "the talk" with their parents about hacking. As about 75% of the hacker and skiddie population are teenagers, parents are one of our greatest threats next to various organizations that use acronyms.
The life of a hacker is meant to be reclusive, if you are on the radar so to speak, you're the martyr for any other hacker that was smart enough to conceal their presence.
A crude parallel, consider the super hero you used to have as an idol (If not make one up…) What happened when their secret identity was revealed? Their personal life got shafted right down the hole.
In short, it's a secret that's best not told outside Hacker Communities.
The only people that really know about me are other hackers and two of the administrators that get kicks from the stuff I pull. I still remember the entire incident with Cain, meh.
Parents wise, they know that I am, but they also don't complain because I save them hundreds on repair and virus deletion, so they could care less as long as the FBI doesn't come hunting.
Lemur wrote: The only people that really know about me are other hackers and two of the administrators that get kicks from the stuff I pull. I still remember the entire incident with Cain, meh.
Parents wise, they know that I am, but they also don't complain because I save them hundreds on repair and virus deletion, so they could care less as long as the FBI doesn't come hunting.
Who do you think you are? The FBI doesn't give two shits about you.
I think most parents arnt really that fussed if your etical, I think people who are controlled by the media are begining to think for them selfs and realising that hackers can be good, and majority are here to help, and if any ones parents do siapprove explin to them the situtation and they should support your learning from there after.
My job is an "ethical hacker"/ security consultant and my parents are pretty proud of me. The down side if your parents or anyone for that matter knowing you know about security is that in ANY tv show or movie they ask
"Is that right? is that easy"
"can you do that"
etc etc
gets bloody annoying after a while!
spyware wrote: Complete utter bullshit. Hackers are becoming more mainstream every day. In a few years, we will be 'normal' people.
I kinda agree with that, I mean, I was at some dude's house the other day, and he was just an ordinary person, not a computer expert or anything, and he was all like 'yeah hackers are smart and come up with some interesting things' and so on.
My parents don’t know that I’m interested in hacking and I hope no one ever will. But my parents still manage to be incredibly annoying. Ex: we still have Dial-up (51kb a sec. and that's little b)
Some of you guys may have forgotten this, but you can only use internet or the phone at one time. Because I am not allowed to be online when people might call, I have to stay up all night if I want to be online. And Dial-up has other problems… We almost got fire wire, but I stayed up all night and passed out in front of the computer a few times, so they canceled it before it was installed.
There were also other annoying things like forcing me to drop everything and “spend some time outside,” or making me drop classes. It’s not like I’m stealing from them, rude, or getting high all the time (or at all now). Now they are thinking of canceling any internet subscription.
My parents kinda joke about it. I think they look at and think "Wow, I don't understand any of this. He must be pretty smart to understand this stuff". One of my favorite quotes from them is "Good luck, but when the FBI comes knocking on the door, I'm gonna point them right in your direction" Of course my plans weren't anything (and still aren't) that the FBI would need to get involved in. I just had a pretty cool idea on how to instantly connect to any IP you specify via hacked scanner… long story, still haven't tried it, but who knows?
I said I've never done it to be fair, it's just a theory. Basically the thinking behind it goes like this: You somehow convert a scanner to connect to pre set IP addresses instead of radio frequencies. Next you find a way to connect that to your computer and from there press any button on the scanner to go to that IP. Again it's just a theory, but imagine the possibilities…
-skitzo- wrote: I said I've never done it to be fair, it's just a theory. Basically the thinking behind it goes like this: You somehow convert a scanner to connect to pre set IP addresses instead of radio frequencies. Next you find a way to connect that to your computer and from there press any button on the scanner to go to that IP. Again it's just a theory, but imagine the possibilities…
You have a lot to learn about networking, my friend.
ThorsDecree wrote: my mom's always like "i saw you on that hacking site again, have you been doing your homework?"
apparently alluding to the fact that I rarely do all my homework as long as I have internet access :D
Just too much applicable stuff to learn; I don't plan to be an English major!
Regardless, it helps to be educated. Especially if you plan to turn your hobby into a career at some point (which most people should want to do).
-skitzo- wrote: I said I've never done it to be fair, it's just a theory. Basically the thinking behind it goes like this: You somehow convert a scanner to connect to pre set IP addresses instead of radio frequencies. Next you find a way to connect that to your computer and from there press any button on the scanner to go to that IP. Again it's just a theory, but imagine the possibilities… lesserlightsofheaven wrote: You have a lot to learn about networking, my friend.
Agreed. Theories are only good when based upon concrete, verifiable information. Otherwise, you just look like an ignorant dreamer.
You are right on that one. Parents always disagree with what you say. Its like a instinct or something xD They look at the news, and what do they see? "Hacker arrested for bank penetrating". Then they start worry about you, and they don't want you do end up in jail ect. ect.
We like what we are doing, Its our hobby, some of us, our job. Its fun, we like it. And they should accept the fact that we are the future.
Well, My mom knows I hack, and my dad does as well, same with step mom and dad, they all kind of encourage me to do it. My dad all ways tells me I have came a long way from playing Runescape…Lol. Its kind of funny because my Brother set up our home network, and he is A+ certified, but when the network crashed my bother came to me and asked me to help him.Turned out it was just some ports being flooded. He is my older brother by the way, and I even show my younger brother some Exploits now and again, but overall I would have to say that if you just show your parents that hacking can be used for non-malicious means I thank they would understand.I have the hackers Manifestos in binary if someone wants a copy!
Well, My mom knows I hack, and my dad does as well, same with step mom and dad, they all kind of encourage me to do it. My dad all ways tells me I have came a long way from playing Runescape…Lol. Its kind of funny because my Brother set up our home network, and he is A+ certified, but when the network crashed my bother came to me and asked me to help him.Turned out it was just some ports being flooded. He is my older brother by the way, and I even show my younger brother some Exploits now and again, but overall I would have to say that if you just show your parents that hacking can be used for non-malicious means I thank they would understand.I have the hackers Manifestos in binary if someone wants a copy!
redhothacker wrote: my parents are not tech savvy people but whenever they hear the word hacker they have a negative opinion and this is due to the fact that they hear negative stories in the media and they see villains in moviesI'm dealing with the exact same situation, although my parents probably don't know at all what I'm doing upstairs on this computer. They know nothing about computer stuff, I'm the only one in the family. Well, as long as I keep doing my homework and stuff like that, they're probably fine with it, I think. Anyways, I've never done anything illegal regarding hacking (like pentesting government sites) and I'm just trying to solve these educational challenges, so what's wrong with that? It also helps you with learning English. ;)
First build up trust and don't tell them - NEVER leave a hacking site up.
After about 4 or 5 months of taking every chance you can to build up trust (and hopefully it went well), then decide to tell them. DO NOT let them find out; they'll think you were trying to hide it from them.
For the first 2 or 3 months after you break it to them, DO NOT LEAVE IT UP all the time. Maybe leave it up once a week (logged out of corse :P Don't tell them your username; they might harrase you on the site :P ), but not anymore. You DON'T want them to think you are very involved in it - this will calm them down. And I suggest download and using a free program that works very well - it's called "Hide Windows Hotkey" without quotes. It will start up every time you log on to YOUR account (not the other user's accounts if you install only for you (strongly recommended) - never tell about this program).
After the 2 or 3 months is up, you can stop minimizing FF/IE all day long (or switching tabs :P ). They will most likely have gotten used to it by now. But don't talk about it like it's always what you're doing on the computer. And make sure that sometime around now you introduce them to the (obsurred) fact that you "build" programs/webbased apps now, and not just "hack" them. This will (most likely) calm them down greatly.
And finally you will be where you want to be - a "free" internet user, hacker, computer savvy, and in the right position with your parents.
And if the people at school get on your nerves (eg. "What are you hacking now?" ) and always sarcastically bug you on being a "hacker" (after they're used to having a genious in their very presence), just ignore it. Make sure that you have established a good relationship with your school computer teacher/person (maybe point out a proxy that isn't blocked once every two months or so to him). This will help you in the future if some of the suckups get mad at you or just think it would be funny to tell him about you "hacking" - they all have the wrong perception on the philosophy.
Lastly, never forget it is a philosoply that very few have the opportunity to learn and study and are mature enough to realize the full extent of the growth of the mind as a result of it. Never forget that.
DeafCode wrote: yea but if you fuck up and the SS or FBI or whatever lands on your doorstep how would your parents react??
My parents are incredibly sarcastic and have a cruel sense of humor. My mom would probably tell them that I'm in my room, tell them that they should arrest me, and offer some tea or coffee.
I guess my parents know, but it isn't like they would really understand much of what I'm interested inside the field of hacking. So basically, they know some dogmatic crap.
Oh funny story. My parents found out by reading what was on my computer screen. But before that, my mom just thought I was really, really, really into porn.
I've had an interest in hacking for ages, at first i was using HTS then a friends of mine who is a good hacker told me about here. My dad is currently away in the army, if he was here he would porbably flip, he's so stubborn, with him it's always his word is final or he's right, i'm gonna tell him when he gets back and i will make him listen to what i have to say.
My mum on the other hand is ok with it. I told her one time when we were out that i'm learning about hacking, and all the advantges of it. I explained that it's not all illegal. She just told me to be careful.
I do not tell every one i know that i hack, only those that i believe i can trust.:ninja:
my parents know i go on HBH and that im interested in "hacking"
my mum thinks she knows everything about computers, but thinks the tower of a desktop pc is called the hard drive :right:, and my dad has even been on this site a few times
they just dont want me getting in trouble, which wont happen
im at no level to hack a reasonably secure website lol
I demonstrated countless "neat" things to my dad over the years, but most of it was harmless for the most part. But you know him being a baby boom kid his life was filled with no parents and bad influences.
I know and have toyed with malicious things, but the things you can call "hacking" amount to 2 things.
Both of which were 100% discovered by myself. The first was a rooting challenge of some dudes server. Because he used a dynamic ip on a dynamic dns on a shitty isp, the ip changed the dns was assigned to some router. I got into the highly outdate peice of junk and looked around, nothing more. The password authentication was on a cheap router with an old version running and the password authentication was in javascript! It was a 2 second hack, easier than any web challenges.
The second was discovering (off a hunch) that I would be able to edit the registry of my schools machines using any programming language despite the strict novell+deep freeze "protection". The second part to that was inventing my own type of an attack on the rat tool the school used to monitor us, I injected random asm into random addresses and one of two things would happen. Either the machine would bsod, or the program would crash. I now know this attack is called "fuzzing", but I still invented the concept by myself, regardless of it already existing.
Never got caught, though countless people in school were caught for far less, and sometimes as a direct cause of me. I created a browser that used updating proxies to bypass bess, created a program that freed up bess restrictions via a registry key and a "no-proxy-use" of IE, and introduced FF portable. Its amazing how you tell 1 person something and suddenly everyone knows about it. But its nice to tell just 1, because then you dont get the flack for it.
I dont consider myself a hacker, but the concept of hacking interests me, and the dark side is still somewhat a mystery. I plan to stay out of jail, at all costs. I was always top coder and hardware guy in school, though nobody hardly heard more than 10 sentances from me in a single day.
People reconize brains sometimes I guess.
I"m a firm believer that anyone calling themselves a hacker is either arrogant and therefore not worth my time regardless of their knowledge, or just some ignorant newbie.
I'd spend my time with 100 newbs any day over an uber leet asshole.
My parents were concerned with my interest in computers and sudden stoppage of going out playing. But they quickly saw (well a year or two) just how much knowledge I had gained, and how much money I had saved them on trips to the local pc repair shop.
I am proud to say I'm the first one my parents come to with computer problems, and I always help at no charge.
My interest in computers started with envy of the dark side.
At one point my life goal was to join the army and be a demo-man. I already knew tactical manuvers and was associated with a close-nit anti-governmental group. Though your talking kids here… I am glad we never got real steel. Though we came pretty damn close:right: Interest in bomb making led to anarchist cookbook led to captivating stories and complex diagrams of outdated technology. None-the-less it still interests me to this day, and I show nothing but respect for those malicious people.
But times have changed. The top leading hackers of the world today are not driven by cause, but by money. So the whole hacker image is 100% corrupt and the only high up malicous people worth a dime of respect are the people that work towards cracking software. I dont thing its a good thing, and I think they shouldn't do it.
But there is some level of respect deserved to those who can get into a large corporation, steal private files, crack software, and give it away.
Its the only thing lasting in this day and age that is remotly close to those who had earned the rep for gaining access to machines and networks thought untouchable.
My parents dont completly know the origion of my interests in computers and security, but they are generally at ease about my knowledge in making and breaking a computer system.
Ac1d wrote: haha, Well!
Before christmas my folks didn't care, they were slightly concerned about my previous police encounters, but i'd helped the authorities out in the end, so no charge has been brought. My Mum always said "I won't be suprised on the day that men in white clothes (or black suits) (kinda FBI / Scientist people :P) come and take you away"…
As i said, that was before christmas ;) From october 07 i started getting involved with Credit Card Fraud, or as its commonly called 'Carding'. I won't go into figures but i spent alot :P
In January the cops found out.. I was screwed xD. All because of my mum too. If you want the story, PM me i can send you it :P (I get asked it all the time, hence i wrote it down). Now she takes no notice of what i'm doing and deciedes to totally ignore my goings on. But she hates it. She's one of those people, who now, due to me, is scared of the unknown.
Thats my Folks xD
LMAO I know all about that ¬_¬ that inncodent sucked. I remember it very well, you got off lightly. I got a 12 month refferal order lol.
I have mentioned things like HBH con's and stuff, my mums just like yeah dont be stupid, my dad's like, why do you want to hack its stupid :evil:
i only tell close friends
although my school completely diagrees with it, I once got admin acess to a comp… and i got a 3 month ban from ICT & if it happens again im chucked off the GCSE course.
Yeah it sucks lol.
When i told my dad, he laughed so damn hard, so i hacked his computer and he was like… "Don't do anything stupid out there, ok?", but to all of his friends he tells i'm an ace with pcs :P lol
my mom doesn't really care what i do in here… I once cracked our neighbour's wi-fi connection for her to connect on internet, and she was not surprised really :P she just got in and said, wow, you're good huh… never really said anything more.
about friends, hehe, i scare most of the bullies xP LOL, jk
Zephyr_Pure wrote: Interesting story. You win the longest post award (previously held by me). applause
Its a bad habit of mine. I am known for turning 1-liner threads into masses of text. I talk so little in real life that I end up with a jabber mouth online. But for the most part I dont go completely off topic, hehe.
I've never really advertised to my parents about being a hacker, but I definitely explain alot of my computer stuff to them. I guess the only reason I havnt said anything is that I dont feel like explaining that not all hackers are evil and stealing your credit card, etc. However, there has been a few times my mom has been talking to me over my shoulder while I browse HBH or other sites containing the word "hacker". I think what bothers me most about the non-techs around me is that they assume computers are easy to understand, etc. Most of them ask common questions about drivers and how to do this or that through some basic GUI, and they think thats all Im capable of learning.
my parents started to relax a lot once they knew I could more or less take care of myself. If they ever caught me smoking pot or into something a little sketchy they'd just say " god dammit maug", and that would be it.
I come from anti-techy parents too. My mom rebelled for years against learning to use a VCR. Sometime's it was kinda funny when she'd yell "make it go, the email isn't working." Hitting my head several times against a big piece of wood or metal would usually succesfully let them know that they didn't need to talk to me anymore about a subject.
edit: some of that may have sounded funny, but sadly enough I'm being honest.
MoshBat wrote: Be that as it may, since when does an off-topic section of ANY forum have to relate to the general content of the site? That's why they exist.
Okay, okay, fine. You guys can continue to whine about your parents. Don't be surprised when an annoyed admin locks this shit for getting off-topic though.
spyware wrote: Okay, okay, fine. You guys can continue to whine about your parents. Don't be surprised when an annoyed admin locks this shit for getting off-topic though. Haha. An admin on HBH taking notice of a thread is hard enough as it is. But finding one that cares enough to actually scroll all the way to the bottom and lock it? Your fear is completely irrational.
Oh, and my parents made me a sandwich earlier today because I was hungry. That is all.
random4789 wrote: Ha, yeah i've been out the house for a long time now. Now it's the wife saying I spend too much time on the computer. Either way, don't be in a hurry to get out, paying bills and figuring shit out is not very exactly easy.
That's the truth brother. You get away from your parents, Then everything's cool for a while then along comes a gf or wife and BREAKS your balls worse then anyone. It will never end trust me.
korg wrote:
That's the truth brother. You get away from your parents, Then everything's cool for a while then along comes a gf or wife and BREAKS your balls worse then anyone. It will never end trust me.
lol x_X That's why i'm a big fan of the one night stand technique xP You don't have to worry about anything, and you still get some real fun ;)
Back on Topic!!!
My parents didn't really care until the school called one day. A 10 minute parent/teacher conference changed everything. Basically, the admins said that i had created 3 admin accounts on the network, and stolen the RAT from the school, and used it to lock other students comp's. Probably the worst part was when the tech dude looked at me and said "So, how do you like our copy of Solidworks at home?" (Note: solidworks is a drafting program, kinda boring, but expensive as hell, $3,999 US-if you don't believe me google it) They then took all 4 of my USB drives, and formatted them. Parents friggin' went nuts. Wiped my hard drives, broke my CD's, took the power cables. (sucked). When the school learned i had been selling copies of Solidworks to students, i was warned by the county, and a note was put on my permanent school record. But now i am the "slave" of computer help at my house, and my parents pretty much accept what i have learned. At school it is a different story. I sit at the front by the teachers when we get computers, in drafting (the class i got pegged in) i sit in front of the teachers office, and 3 RAT's watch me all day. it sucks…:|
however… for some odd reason i don't regret any of it xD…
Well, that actually gave me quite a laugh :) thanks for that.
My parents treat me the same, as a slave for ANYTHING technical. (Includes stuff like setting up sound systems, wiring the house… etc)
I personally have never been caught at school doing thing I shouldn't. Though I stumbled across some highly confidential info.. and am actually thinking of reporting the vulnerability, however don't want to as my school will probably not let me attend Year 10 Formal, and it could count to my permanent record… in a bad way (teachers + network staff are stupid and will do that because i was somewhere i shouldn't have been).
Back on topic. My parents are english teachers. They like to use me when something goes wrong or something needs to be set up, otherwise, they (not really my dad, just my mum) like to get really annoyed/pissed off at me when I am programming or here at HBH (apparently it is affecting the quality of my english work, which I don't give a crap about).
TheMonitor wrote: Back on Topic!!!
(Note: solidworks is a drafting program, kinda boring, but expensive as hell, $3,999 US-if you don't believe me google it) They then took all 4 of my USB drives, and formatted them. Parents friggin' went nuts. Wiped my hard drives, broke my CD's, took the power cables. (sucked). When the school learned i had been selling copies of Solidworks to students, i was warned by the county, and a note was put on my permanent school record.
however… for some odd reason i don't regret any of it xD…
Let me get this straight. You sold off copies of a program you took of your school's computers? You've just crossed the line between hacking for fun and doing it for profit. I don't care if your justification is that the program costs $3999 for your friends, you made a copy of it and sold it off.
That's pirating for profit, and I think compared to most pirates, you got off pretty lucky. Most of us at HBH pirate for fun and to share software amongst friends, not to make money out of it.
It doesn't matter what price you sold it at, it's the principle.
And why would you sell it to your friends anyway? Why not just give it to them because you're friends with them?
You didn't teach them anything, you just did their work for them, therefore becoming their tool in all of this. You should've told your friends to try to get the program on their own. Self-reliance is very important, especially in the hacking community. This includes, but is not limited to, explaining to others that they need to try to find the answer or solution on their own.
TV and other forms of media put out a bad reputation for hackers. If only people realized that true hackers are just tinkering with what they have to make it something better/different. It's the crackers that they don't like.
For most smart hackers, the virtual life and non-virtual life are kept out of reach. If the borders of the two personalities collide, there can be more than diminutive repercussions.
People know that I like computers, and I make jokes about we security sometimes, but one shouldn't tell the world they know how to exploit the very secrets that keep the world together. It would blow their little minds… B)
To this day my mother has no idea what I know how to do and how I do it. I get stuck helping family members restart their computer and other dumb stuff like that. However, my mother thinks I am some kind of computer god. I know I have plenty to learn and like to learn. It also helps that I am going to college with a major in software engineering.
Idk, my parents used to freak out, but don't usually say much as long as I don't get caught by anyone else. I don't think they like it (because of media), but I have helped them through a hell of a lot of problems they been having thanks to anal-bosses and crappy technicians.
Hell even made a grading program for my mom as a christmas present last year and she uses mine all the time.
(I would probably try giving it to the other teachers at her school since their grading programs SUCKS, but personally I'm worried that somehow #### will blow in my face (untrustworthy and stupid teachers + principal that is out to get her = secret) Don't know why or how, but it's like the news story of a man being arrested for being naked in his own home.
edit: and on a different note, still can't cuss on this computer. God I hate net nanny. At least I can get on this site
My parents don't get involved in my hacking career.
They were forced to get involved once, after I bombarded my old high school's server and was permanently banned from their computers.
(NOTE:For your critics out there who like to be asshats, I'm going to a different school now, hence the reason I'm able to post during school hours.)
Other than that conference between administration and my parents, they've let me run wild. The only thing I've heard from them is, "Don't get caught doing something illegal."
fuser wrote: well, I'm pretty sure you did that just to try out your skills, and schools are popular targets among hackers for various reasons, and I judge that you've learned from that experience, so I don't see a reason to criticize you, especially since I assume you didn't hack your new school's network..
Back then I was just starting. I was only a freshmen and I did it just to see if I could. To me it was just another challenge.
You're correct, I haven't hacked my new school's network. I have too many other projects with purpose to be wasting my time on that.
I am Dr. Adewole Aremu- a director with the Union Bank of Nigeria in Lagos - and I wish to speak to you most urgently about a matter regarding the sum of $39,000,000 US Dollars…
How would a twelve year old son feel about reading this? To be honest I’ve actually gotten in contact with these guys and they do send out a check which anyone with a bank account can go cash a lump sum.
When I think of hack I think of forcing out something. Whether if it’s to open a door lock or brute forcing a login. Hacking has an ambiguous meaning. Because they are able to send fake checks and have other people cash it for them with a split profit, they are too considered hackers by many. People will see hack working in many ways.
I definitely don't have any problem with my parents and hacking as they're both programmers. My mom actually tried some of the missions on here, and said she wished she had more time to learn this stuff.
I guess if I actually did anything illegal they would be pretty pissed, but for now I'm still in a learning phase. I'm in a software development program at a local college, and trying to learn as much as I can. My parents are obviously supportive of that.
Hopefully I can apply some of the stuff I learn to these missions. I know java pretty well now, and am taking classes on databases and c next semester, and learning python on the side. The more I learn, the easier these missions seem to me. Maybe one day I'll actually do some real hacking, but it's interesting stuff to learn about regardless.
My dad is half-way knowledgable about computers and I tell him about SQL injection, js injection and xss and stuff. I should probarbly stop though…. My mom doesn't really know what I do but she trusts me which is a good thing. She always goes on about if I can trust you it will all be ok, but if theres no trust what is there…
Hell no! My parents would simply rip off my broadband wire off the modem. My sisters know bout it, but parents,nope. Although I've slowly started releasing it by saying that there's a friend who does this and that(bout my activities). My mom got disturbed even at that. She told me to break off the friendship with that friend and told me she didn't like the way my mind has started to work. And, about school, I don't advertise the fact that I'm a hacker(coz' many people would just say that I'm boasting).
goluhaque wrote: (coz' many people would just say that I'm boasting).
Considering that %99.99 of teenage "hackers" are boasting, I don't blame them for assuming that.
And why not try explaining to your mom that being a hacker doesn't necessarily mean being malicious? If she knows it just means exploring and manipulating computers (which doesn't have to be illegal), I can't think of why she would resent that.
stealth- wrote: [quote]goluhaque wrote: (coz' many people would just say that I'm boasting).
Considering that %99.99 of teenage "hackers" are boasting, I don't blame them for assuming that.
And why not try explaining to your mom that being a hacker doesn't necessarily mean being malicious? If she knows it just means exploring and manipulating computers (which doesn't have to be illegal), I can't think of why she would resent that.[/quote] yeah, I'm going to try sooner or later.