Ethical Hacker Course

Im not sure if this should be in General Hacking or not…

Now, I don't know much about it, I've not googled it yet or anything, but I've been told that there is acctually a Cisco coure that you can take called Ethical Hacker, is this true ?? I was wondering if anyone is doing / has done this course ?

Im guessing that an ethical hacker is basically a hacker that hacks with the owners permission to find faults, kinda like a white hat.

All replys appreciated, AbSoRb

Yea I guess this is basically Pen-Testing and insecurity checking.

Well, I do know that my current computer teacher used to be a hacker for the Military.

A hacker for the military??? :O lol I wish i had teacher like that! Sound pretty cool compared to my next to useless ICT teacher, who when i pointed to an iframe and asked how to do it, she suggested a table :p

Ya, he's really cool. He has taught me alot about network's and how to exploit them. He has also taught me so many things, its unbeleievable. Not so much as hacking but any thing about how things work with computer.(to beginners!! - learn as much as you can about everything from anywhere possible).

Meh white hat hackers are backstabbers…

What is wrong with Whitehats? I backstab no one :P

If you are talking about Tsutomu Shimomura then he did what he could to protect his networks. I would like to know where the bias of yours comes from.

Please further your remarks Watcher. I am no backstabber but if you can prove me wrong please do :) I love challenges.

And to answer the main question…YES there is an EH course. you can find them online. they are just security vulnerabilities and how to fix them and what have you.

Ok…. First of whitehat hackers are the same in the eyes of the Governements. But the governement only hire them because 1. they suck at computering and 2. Hackers only really get on with other hackers. Thus causing them to be fooled into trusting them.

2: White hat hackers backstab other hackers for money and a good rep with the secruity teams out there and what are they doing? the same thing as a normal hacker would do. testing for expoilts and then either exploiting or telling them what they did.

3: There are no such things as white hat hackers, just a figment of the hacking mind. the good side telling the badside what to do.

In my eyes a white hat hack is the bad hat colour because they turned there backs on the real hackers back in the days of the great hacking war's….. it was there own team mates who turned white hat on them and sold them out, thats why i hate white hat hackers. not u thoe aldar hawk i don't think of you as a white hat hacker, only as a web developer and programmer.

If i think of anything else i'll add it

I agree with watcher. I understand if people want to learn how to, but not how to and stop other people who are learning from showing off their skills. It's just a game.

what a idiot. your generlisations are completely illogical and obsurd.

Mr_Cheese wrote: what a idiot. your generlisations are completely illogical and obsurd. i agree, but you dont make your case any better by misspelling words such as absurd

Man.

Think on this:

If you where a really big hacker, would you "hack" every site on the web?

or think in this..

bien; I'm good, I can do money and live without f**** problems dude, what's better? Hack and be hacked or improve the sistem? ???

Wow. a fight over which hat colour is better? thats umm…different. The hat colour shouldn't matter. Whether a white hat gets paid or not, it doesn't make them any better or worse of a hacker. A black hat isnt any better or worse either. In fact, ppl labelling eachother over what they hack and why is completely stupid, because when it all comes down to it, no matter what hat colour you are you're still a hacker.

yep I believe the hacker and h4x*X0rS ethics belongs to evolution, not to stupidity and wars..

Wanna war? then go get it.

Ok, technically while there is no "gray hat" I believe there should be. The idea of good and evil is far too polar. There are maybe a few people who are truly white hats and a few people who are truly black hats. The simple fact is that some people do things to learn and others do them to destroy. Everyone has played both sides at some point. Hackers are hackers, you learn and study the computer. Ethics means that you do things not for the pure and simple fun of destroying whatever you gain access to but to do them so that you can learn how to build a better defense and then you hack it again so you can improve again. Oh, and you don't sell someone out just because you chose to work to protect instead of destroy. You sell someone out when you change sides just because things didn't go your way.

Spinman wrote: Ok, technically while there is no "gray hat" I believe there should be.

Omg really? :O i always thought grey hats existed!

oh. good. so my world isn't falling apart after all. :)

Of course grayhat hackers exist. I'm right here!!!

Hmm…Guess I should read more carefully before posting :P

Yes SOME White Hats did do that Watcher but not all. There are White Hats out there that do just what a White Hat is…Secure Networks.

Some did sell out their friends yes. But many did not. A white hat IS different than a black hat. White Hats TEST for vulnerabilities and report them. they do not exploit them (or they would be gray(or grey how ever you want to spell it :P) ) A white hat is simply a hacker who looks at how they can make it better rather than using known problems to reduce a site to ashes.

I know what you think of ME personally Watcher but I AM a White Hat Hacker. I know a little programming but my main focus is security. I like to make sure that the people I work for are happy and secure ;)

When I said greyhats don't exist I was meaning that you are a white hat until you commit an act that makes you a blackhat and from then on you can never again become a whitehat and that you are from then onward always technically a blackhat trying for redemption if you act as a whitehat. That probably wasn't very clear but in my insanity it's the best I could come up with.

Like someone said, at the end of the day ur a hacker. I believe in staying true to ur hacking friends because you all are looking for the same answer.

Doesnt matter what hat colour you are because in the end its your decision whether you destroy a network or something else.

Yes Watcher. Staying true is a vital part of the hacking world. I agree with you there. I do not agree however in the ideals that some Black hats take on. That is all. But YES you are correct that a hacker is a hacker is a hacker.

It's all about gaining the advantage….. Or people will over power you.

and remember Watcher…the weakest link in any computer related function is the operator ;)

Hehe, yup

this thread would be 5 times smaller if you guys didn't have such a big signature :P

Genome wrote: this thread would be 5 times smaller if you guys didn't have such a big signature :P

You talking to Watcher or myself or both of us?

I think my sig is a really good size. now Watchers is just a silly size :P

both of you :$

my sig is the perfect size :|

yeah but your sig is nothing :P Mine displays my thoughts and Ideals B)

And the fact that my site is in dire need of help :P

I think you should be able to have a sig what ever size you want…….

It represents what i stand for.

why did u just change it then o_0

Meh happy now :O

why does it all have to be categorised? it's like some kind of racism :) gee anyway, i don't understand what you're argueing about but in my opinion there is a very big difference between people who test sites on safety and people who hack sites for their own pleasure. it's like hacking/cracking… me myself (as far as i can be called a hacker that is) try to learn how to hack not to harm people. I try to learn it because I don't want myself to be backstabbed. it's like learning karate or some other defencesport. normally (in most cases) you learn these sports to protect yourself IF some other (bad) dude tries to harm you… what kind of color of hat do I have to wear than? ;) anyway, hack for fun guys… and with fun, I don't mean only fun for yourself… dunno who said it, but hacking for political reasons, it's not because you are fe against jews everybody has to be against jews… or not because you're a socialst everybody has to be one…

Do you know why hitler killed the jews?

Okay, this thread has gotten far off topic. So, I'm going to go back, answer the inital question, and then give my 2 cents on the whole 'hat' concept.

To answer the inital question: The course in question is called Certified Ethical Hacker (abbreviated to CEH). This course is crap, don't take it. If you must get a security cert, shoot for CISSP. And it is not sponsored by Cisco in any way.

About the hats: The whole concept of hats is ridiculous and stupid. Either you hack or you don't.

BTW, WaTcHeR, interesting how you term yourself a blackhat, and yet your sig is from www.blackhat.com, which is a whitehat site. ;) I'm not trying to start anything by say this, just pointing it out. Maybe you need to reconsider some things?

But hats are retarded. The people who work for companies and the like, they're still hackers, they just have a different motivation that us ('us' used loosley here). At some point in ones life (which I have not yet reached), one must finish school, and get a real job. Typically, the job that you get is releated to your interests as a teenager. So, hackers turn to the security industry, and become consultants. I'll probably end up walking that path as well.

Still, that does not mean that I agree with every decision that the industry makes. The virus hype, the scare about the latest exploit, the demonization of hackers. All these things are not true, and the industry knows it. So, why do they do it? Money. Money drives the world, like it or not. The really galling part is that many security consultants were former hackers. Thats why so many 'blackhats' (aka sceners), dislike them. But not all the consultants are like that. You can stil see route (Mike Schiffman, the author of Firewalk and libnet) in *phrack, and joeywee in *darknet.

Hats are meaningless classifications that were invented to tear the community apart. They're stupid and meaningless. Either you hack or you don't. All hackers ultimatly want the same things: knowledge and access. Don't even try to deny it. The thirst for knowledge is what drives us, and we want access to that knwoledge, wether it may come in the source of a *nix man page, an internal telco document, or some propriatary source code.

So, what about the people who do damage? I think that we could agree here, that with few exceptions, many of those 'hackers' are actually script kiddies. Real hackers know that damaging a computer will get you noticed, and you'll lose the access. They also know that if you do damage a computer, it furthers the bad reputation that hackers already have.

Forget the hats. Just hack.

I liked the picture so i took it…. so what, doesnt mean anything.

It's the website labelling themselfs with the title Blackhat, and if they understand what the term means then im sure they will realise that they are truly of the whitehat foundation.

Think:

your question is all about this: use it and say the truth or just use it as you as your worst beast

Vulnerabilities, exploits, whatever.. You need to understand both sides to talk about them or the best thing you saw from them and their vantages as their weaknesses.

Then define equally both sides so everyone can understand their meaning and why do you .hack

There are many ways of life's, or living things..

Everything it's relative; Everything Depends on Everything.

WaTcHeR: Say why if you know it..

Still, its a security industry thing. And they know that they're 'whitehat'. Blackhat Inc is one of the leading companies in the security industry. Hell, they even sponsored the Stealing the Network series.

I cant say that i agree with this, in my own opinion, you need white hats to stop exploits other wise, it would be no fun. I am a network tech, and i have told my co-workers that, as we get smarter, and block more things, so do the people trying to get around/in to stuff.

Or, if you go with my philospohy, you need a non-malicious hacker. Somebody who won't cause damage once they break in.

Believe it or not, not all of us like to `nohup rm -rf /* '. ;)

ah well, aldarhawk will be the only "Whitehat" i like.

Why thank you Watcher…I take that as a compliment :D