JUST PASSED MY CCENT AT AGE 16!!! BOO-YAH
I restate the above. CCENT == "WASTE OF MONEY". Plus your not old enough to even work (at least around where i live, US usually have to be 17 for some jobs and 18 for most.), As stated above i suggest you get a blog and a better way to spend your money than on an low valued, entry level vendor based certificate that no one wants from employee's anywho.
Sulpher wrote: I disagree, it all helps on the CV.
CV?(could be a stupid question if your just using initials), it may help on exams in the future, but id say why not just study more for them then waste money on a TEST you think will help… informatoins all out there. As for job apps, Even with a cert (especiallly as entry level and vendor specific) your not gonna have high employer demand, first only people with cisco equipment(okay a fair amount of people/companies), then the ones that will take someone on a entry level certification (okay very few), + someone who will hire a kid who hasn't graduated high school/ started college.(down to none). + i have a friend who got Security+ by 18 and CISSP (well a few ms certs in between) by 21(quite an accomplishment). In the world of tech its all about whose got the better cert, and entry level vendor specific is not where id' start maybe entry level but broader… just saying leaves you in a not so wide field…okay..done blabbing.
S1L3NTKn1GhT wrote: [quote]Sulpher wrote: I disagree, it all helps on the CV.
CV?(could be a stupid question if your just using initials), it may help on exams in the future, but id say why not just study more for them then waste money on a TEST you think will help… informatoins all out there. As for job apps, Even with a cert (especiallly as entry level and vendor specific) your not gonna have high employer demand, first only people with cisco equipment(okay a fair amount of people/companies), then the ones that will take someone on a entry level certification (okay very few), + someone who will hire a kid who hasn't graduated high school/ started college.(down to none). + i have a friend who got Security+ by 18 and CISSP (well a few ms certs in between) by 21(quite an accomplishment). In the world of tech its all about whose got the better cert, and entry level vendor specific is not where id' start maybe entry level but broader… just saying leaves you in a not so wide field…okay..done blabbing.[/quote]
MS Certs? Stopped reading. Time spent on certificates is mostly wasted. I know you need them (in the USA, anyway) to get a job (totally balanced system btw., whoever thought that out is a geeeeenius, $$$), but fuck man, how about living your first 20-something years doing USEFUL shit, like learning about -important- things.
Also; "Curriculum Vitae". You're American, right? While I won't hold a grudge against you guys, your ignorance and lack of knowledge doesn't really help, either.
spyware wrote: Also; "Curriculum Vitae". You're American, right? While I won't hold a grudge against you guys, your ignorance and lack of knowledge doesn't really help, either. That's a term that isn't taught here in our schools. I wouldn't expect you know all the terms associated with our workforce and schooling structure, so don't go tossing the I-word around. Although @silentknight, I would have looked that up on Google before posting.
And indeed, certifications like this are a waste of time. Anybody can memorize things for a test and then forget them a week later. They are assumed to signify expertise, but they don't.
ynori7 wrote: That's a term that isn't taught here in our schools. I wouldn't expect you know all the terms associated with our workforce and schooling structure, so don't go tossing the I-word around. Although @silentknight, I would have looked that up on Google before posting.
Sure, I'll just call it "lack of knowledge and the will to gain knowledge" next time.
spyware wrote: [quote]ynori7 wrote: That's a term that isn't taught here in our schools. I wouldn't expect you know all the terms associated with our workforce and schooling structure, so don't go tossing the I-word around. Although @silentknight, I would have looked that up on Google before posting.
Sure, I'll just call it "lack of knowledge and the will to gain knowledge" next time.[/quote] Lmao i think thats a great idea hahaha
Why the hell wouldn't a 16 year old get hired for an entry level position? First off, he's 16 with an entry level cert. This means if there were a job opening somewhere, the kid has a better chance than anyone else because they can under pay him. At least, this is how it goes in my state due to the economy.
Second, these certificates DO have a purpose. Yes, its good money for cisco, at the same time, the CCNP cert isn't exactly a walk through the woods. They cram a shitload of knowledge into you in a one year span. And dont even get me started on CCIE. My point is, by the time you would get these certs, you (hopefully) would already have experience and certain knowledge you can only obtain from this experience. So if someone were to go all the way to CCIE then they would be fully prepared for the job. There's more to it than that, but the way cisco is set up, although a portion of it is a money scam, its for the better so that we dont have idiots in the IT field getting paid good money in an attempt to figure out how to turn a fucking computer on.
Also, you guys are bitching about this kid getting his CCENT at 16. I dont care who you are, getting any kind of degree before you get your high school diploma is an accomplishment. This kid could be making 100k salary by the time he graduates if he plans his career right and knows the right people.
+1 on the uselessness of a cert. They can be easily beaten with memorization but the first time you come to a job and have no fucking clue what your doing…they'll know what went down. This is also why they look for people with experience etc. And why alot of the higher certificates actually require recorded experience before taking the exam.
sharline23 wrote: I dont care who you are, getting any kind of degree before you get your high school diploma is an accomplishment. It's not a degree, it's a certification. I'm first aid and CPR certified, and it only took me 3 hours to get it.
This kid could be making 100k salary by the time he graduates if he plans his career right and knows the right people. Haha, no. I could learn how to sprout wings and fly to the moon if I knew the right people. The only way he'd even be making half that much salary is if some CEO decided to give him a management position, and at that point the certification really didn't matter.
MoshBat wrote: [quote]spyware wrote: downward spiral. And to change the topic onto something more useful and interesting to everyone: That was (and still is) a fantastic album. Discuss.[/quote] Actually I don't like nine inch nails at all. think they are pretty awful. And congrats on your certificate.
spyware wrote: There's nothing funny about a flawed educational system resulting in painful gaps of knowledge. It's a sad, sad downward spiral.
Your right spy, this country(USA) is falling apart, and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it… We're doomed to a fate that we drove ourselves to.
ynori7 wrote: We? I had nothing to do with it. We're doomed to the fate that greedy politicians drove us to.
Politicians? Ha! It's the goddamn owners of the things YOU like to consume, they rule your country, not some lousy politicians.
You have -everything- to do with it. Everything. Democracy is prepared with a dash of revolution and public outrage. Where's your outrage? Show them your outrage.
muplah wrote: [quote]MoshBat wrote: [quote]spyware wrote: downward spiral. And to change the topic onto something more useful and interesting to everyone: That was (and still is) a fantastic album. Discuss.[/quote] Actually I don't like nine inch nails at all. think they are pretty awful. And congrats on your certificate. [/quote]
Never really listened to NIN, but Flyleaf's cover of Something I Can Never Have is much, much better :]
MoshBat & fashizzlepop wrote:
Ginger-afro-guy is so-so. Better than so-so imho. The rythm guy… Yeah. Moreof a poser than player… **I think that he is great, he was one of the first punk guitarists to get popular that were crazy wild. And the way that there two styles come together make the sound(in the 1st two albums) really cool and different.**And I've just looked up at the poster I have that's been there since I was… 13, I think.
And if you listen to one of the new-ish ones, they shoved part of the American National Anthem in a solo… That and trying to be punk. Iww. I actually like Desolation Row better than the whole The Black Parade album. It brought them back more to their original style, and the solo just kicks ass…
I was tired, I can't even remember if I was thinking that sarcastically or not… :( I'm thinking it was genuine(I don't know many people who can debate/argue as well as you can Mosh).
Yah, I know Green Day isn't punk and I hate when people tell me that.
Never heard of that site before, soundcloud.com. I will check it out.
most of punk rock is done underground anyway. Anything commercialized usually gets a no from me.
and I never liked MCR from the start. I found them to be too annoying in terms of trying to look scary. Misfits looked scary without even trying. It does, however, give me an excuse to throw bottles at MCR fans for entertainment.
but this is getting off topic. should this be locked?
ynori7 wrote: [quote]MoshBat wrote: Nah. We only need one useless thread. And if you haven't noticed, those things happen a lot round here. Only one thread at the moment. Consider the last 20 threads you've opened up and read through. How many of those are wastes of space? They keep popping up because we let them.[/quote]
Would you like me to start locking them? If you have an off topic spur of the moment whim start your own thread. :)
S1L3NTKn1GhT wrote: [quote]Sulpher wrote: I disagree, it all helps on the CV.
i have a friend who got Security+ by 18 and CISSP (well a few ms certs in between) by 21(quite an accomplishment). In the world of tech its all about whose got the better cert, and entry level vendor specific is not where id' start maybe entry level but broader… just saying leaves you in a not so wide field…okay..done blabbing.[/quote]
//Edited due to rage
The criteria for CISSP clearly states the candidate MUST:
Assert that he or she possesses **a minimum of five years of professional experience in the information security field or four years plus a college degree. **Or, an Advanced Degree in Information Security from a National Center of Excellence or the regional equivalent can substitute for one year towards the five-year requirement.
So your 'Friend' Started in the information security industry when he was 16?