HBH book?

HBH (or members) should compile a book for publish on hacking/app cracking/rooting/encryption

it would help HBH raise money for hosting and other stuff

also(just an idea) i thought that diff members could be responsable for different parts of it

i.e.

member1–basic of the basics of webhacking member2–more advanced basic webhacking member3–advance webhacking member4–basic app cracking etc.

also include the really good articles from the site(like mozzers blind SQL)

commets and suggestions please

great idea

That's an awesome idea.. but i guess it demands a lot of work

thats why i thought about splliting up work between the HBH members

that is great idea and if you need help i will be glad to work on that book

Sounds cool man. Dont think it'll fly but still cool. Too much work without enough people.

It's a very good, somewhat unique idea, but the problem that everyone is missing is that if you split it between people, you would need some way to organize who gets what part, and form a colaberation thread/board based on it so that it could all get put together.

If anyone is willing to do all that, then im sure you could find plenty of people to help. But the planning of everything may actually be harder than the writing part here, so I would suguest that the OP or a mod get a good idea of what will go where before getting everyone excited about it.

Ttile __Ethics __Web hacking ____web terms ____basic attacks ____moderate ____advanced __encrypt ____binary to basic decoding ____poly-alphabetic ____advanced cryptography __app cracking ____tools/uses ____hex edit ____debuggers ____serial/keygen ____variables __rooting ____cmd/terminal pros/cons ____commands ____local root/bruteforce ____remote connection ____logs ____DoS/POD

hows that on a layout??

EDIT: the layout didnt stick so i added the underscores

Nothing wrong with the layout, but probably a good idea to get someone who can spell to the word "Title" if you want a book written.

that sounds like a usable layout to me, maybe someone else would be better to tell if it's good or not though.

COM wrote: Nothing wrong with the layout, but probably a good idea to get someone who can spell to the word "Title" if you want a book written.

lol i got ahead of myself

No offense, but I have doubts about what the quality is going to be.

I think one factor could be that you want to read about the things you don't know, but if you're like me, then there are only 2 or 3 things that you know really well. Or spend the most time on. or find interesting enough to talk about. etc.

Maybe also a breif Social Engineering section from someone who really understands it. Other than that it sounds good. Also it would be more realistic with more than just one person on the different topics. Maybe a group of 3 or 4 people talking about it.

how about a phreaking section?? just to see, how many people here are intrested in that stuff??

I think phreaking is pretty interesting, but I think that unless you talk about the history of phreaking or something like that, that phreaking could only take up the equivalent of maybe a sub topic.. But social engineering, that's a whole different story. And I also think there should be a section on web building. Or maybe a separate title for web design and programming.

I thought that phreaking was the origan of hacking???(I guess that is important, at least thats what I think) But anyway social engineering is a very important part of hacking!!!! (so says Kevin Mitnick anyway) but the whole book idea sounds GREAT to me. I'd like to see it happen. :D

phreaking is the origin of hacking

phreaking = tampering with phones using dial tones

modem = converts computer code into dial tone for connection

hacking = computers used to remotely obtain access on another computer

hacking diagram

compuer t–> modem –> dial tone –> target modem –> target computer

phreaking diagram

phreak box –> dial tone –> phone system

think of the phreak box as an early linux box and a phone as a windows box

it's easy with a box and complicated with a normal phone

o and on the note of kevin mitnick, remember, he hund out with roscoe whos girlfreind(which later went on to harass him on his BBS) was a phreaker

should the history go before or after ethics??

DeafCode wrote: HBH (or members) should compile a book for publish on hacking/app cracking/rooting/encryption

it would help HBH raise money for hosting and other stuff Do you actually think we'd sell so many copies we'd earn money? :right:

in moderen today, yes

every bookstore(excluding religious ones) has some sort of computer security section in it due to it's importance. These books sale high because their relevant and reliable. and what could be more relevant and reliable than actual hackers explaining how we accomplish exploits and how to secure against them

DeafCode wrote: in moderen today, yes

every bookstore(excluding religious ones) has some sort of computer security section in it due to it's importance. These books sale high because their relevant and reliable. and what could be more relevant and reliable than actual hackers explaining how we accomplish exploits and how to secure against them I'm usually not very pessimistic, but why would they buy a bunch of collected articles by different authors whose writing skills vary between good and terrible? The book would also need to be printed somewhere and something would probably be required in order to make the book stores pay attention to the book and sell it…

If there will be a book, I'll contribute by writing a few articles on XSS of course :p but this sounds kinda like when (almost) every new hacking community wants to make their own linux distro and give up after a few days when they realize it's too much work…

they give up coding an operating system

i'm talking about explaining what we do for fun which alot of users do anyways

If we made an ebook I'm sure it'd be popular, but that'd be more like reviving the HBH Zine (which I really liked though :)) I'm just saying that making a real book, printing and selling it would cost money and require lots of work ^^

But I agree it'd be a fun project :happy:

You could always be cheap and use something like lulu.com, even if only one book sold there'd still be profit.

s3klyma wrote: phreaking could only take up the equivalent of maybe a sub topic..

I strongly disagree

EDIT: if you all have this much energy, why not revive the HBH Zen? And if you actually have a strong understanding of some of these subjects, why not just write some articles? or create a simple site that can act as a reservoir for all this hacking knowledge?

ok so who would do what

im ok with rooting and UberOn said he'd do the XSS

who else will help and on what?

Perhaps you should talk with the HBH admins before making a HBH book… ;)

Probably a smart idea:right:

with this many people i would be willing to help any way possible.

i think that this book is great idea and i also think that web site will be much better, but if smbd do that then all noobs have to do is buy this book and learn almost everything there and there is no longer self made hacker (if you want to explain everything in this book with lots of people) dont you think it will be just too easy for noob. sorry on english

to learn is not hard but you first have to hear for some kind of exploit to learn it (if you know what i think)

I think it's a great idea.I'm no expert on this sort of stuff but if it does come to form I'll help in any way I can.:)

I don't think I have that much faith in this idea. I'm not saying everyone who's mentioned something here wouldn't be able to do it but I'd say writing something that would be put in a book is at to high of a level for most people.

If you were to write a book and expect people to read it you would need to know the subject in and out like an expert(even if your not technically one) and be able to write really well. Also I think it should be written by the best of hbh on the subject and not just anyone who wants to help (even though your intentions I'm sure are great). I'm also not trying to point out who the best are and aren't, I'm just stating that I would rather read something published by someone who really knows their stuff.

You also have to determine how in depth your going to go into each topic and the more topics you have and the more you go in depth, the longer it's going to take to write and the longer the book will be of course. I personally believe that if your going to put this stuff into a book you should go pretty in depth into it and not just cover basics but that's just my opinion.

Either way I don't think a book is the best of ideas. If you feel like you can write a book, post some great articles on the topic instead. Give hbh more great articles. Stay away from challenge articles and start writing them on other topics. Even make a series of articles and have one or two cover the basics then go on to more advanced stuff.

Anyway, this is long so I'm stopping.

I think reviving HBH Zine is a more realistic idea.

I've found the forums are beginning to lack good content and are becoming somewhat boring to read (imo). The article system definitely has interesting content, but there are a few issues with its presentation.

Even if only a few new issues got released before everyone lost interest, then it would have achieved a lot more than writing half a book that was never finished.

I think it would be great…if it would work. Which I don't think it will. Maybe some parts will get done. But it's very hard to keep a high quality with so many involved.

Book: will probably fail E-book: might work

But I would be more than happy to see you prove me wrong. :)

c4p_sl0ck wrote: I think it would be great…if it would work. Which I don't think it will. Maybe some parts will get done. But it's very hard to keep a high quality with so many involved.

Book: will probably fail E-book: might work

But I would be more than happy to see you prove me wrong. :)

Yup, a book is probably gonna fail unless you can find a publisher willing to publish it. Then it would have to be of the highest quality; whereas a zine or something could be done. Perhaps work on an ebook/zine and contact publishers to see if they might be interested in publishing it. But as I said, it would have to be high quality.

The only addition to the layout I can think of is a coding section. maybe towards the beginning so the reader can get a basic understanding of operators and everything else thats fairly relevent to web programming.

As for the book succeeding or not. I will have to place my bets on yes it could. Mainly due to the phrase "You don't know unless you try". I am very sure the market would love a book written from the eyes of the hacker community rather then the eyes of the security analysist. With the alternative point of view readers will know more of the mentallity of "hackers" and will know what they/we would look for and thus help make thier site/server/computer more secure.

As for publishing, there are ALOT of computer related books out there. But not enough on the "security" aspect. This book would intrest publishers mainly due to it having many authors and covering a fairly wide range of aspects. Of course there would be a good bit of money needing involved to to printing and everything else but that money would be earned back from the sales. The only thing that I think would be good is to have one main writer tho. Yea all the info and articles made by individuals but the main copy would be writtin by a "professional" so theres no grammatical errors or nothing like that. Only reason I would suggest that is because the first thing a publisher would do is look for a flaw in the book. and even the slightest typo might turn them off. If anything I would say this book would take a very long while to complete before its ready for publishers. Then it would take even longer to get published and out to the market.

Oh and another section i just thought of…….experiences. Like a small section at back of book where the writters of certain articles tell thier best "hack" or a moment in thier "hacking" career(yes i said career) that stands out to them. Make the readers have a small laugh or two after spending a few hrs reading all the mumble jumble(half of which they wont understand right away)

Well theres my 2 cents. I have to say very good luck and I'll try to be first buyer when its out. Also I may be able to help with a bit of the basics but i cant guarentee it due to r/l job :(