A language for me =]

Heya guys, I know a thread was opened on this about 10 mins ago but percific for me please =]

I need a programming language suiting :

Easy to make good visual prgrams Easy to find support and tutorials Easy and fun to learn Programs compatible with databases Generally good

=] So suggestions please

C++ dont be fooled by C it looks nothing like that ( although they are very similar ). although it takes alot with databases. so do php

djdotti wrote: Heya guys, I know a thread was opened on this about 10 mins ago but percific for me please =]

I need a programming language suiting :

Easy to make good visual prgrams Easy to find support and tutorials Easy and fun to learn Programs compatible with databases Generally good

=] So suggestions please

Hm, sounds like you're suited for VB 6.0 or vb.NET.

I find VB not very Visualy satisfying

djdotti wrote: I find VB not very Visualy satisfying

Are you talking about 6.0 or VB.NET?

which ever microsoft visual basic express (the latest one) uses

spyware wrote: [quote]djdotti wrote: I find VB not very Visualy satisfying

Are you talking about 6.0 or VB.NET?[/quote]

they are both shit tbh, I use them sometimes, it has it's uses, but I agree i'm just not saticfied after a session. Not that I'm that awesomely excellent at it

C# is what I have been messing around with, pretty fun, only wish I was able to do it in C++ though as easily.

i wouldnt go with c or c++ visual programming in it can be tricky at best.

id advise VB too, i dunno which one cos ive never programmed in it though lol :)

I'd say c/c++ without visual shite, somehting you could do with notepad and (g)cc alone! maybe python or perl and php dabble in ASM!

I don't think there's overlap ebetwen easy to make GUI's and good language.

richohealey wrote: I don't think there's overlap ebetwen easy to make GUI's and good language.

Depends, if you are a vb.NET pro there is.

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I like my programs to be rather visual though …. The program i am trying to make is ….

A script Bible A program layed out like this

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Btw i notied the above ^^ didnt pharse right when viewing

The left hand side contains a tree with a list of Script Programs, when the item is clicked the right hand side shows the script/tutorial etc.

=] Does that help

Listen to the python ninja! and rofl 4 moves, I tink thats the minimum for a checkmate, I beat my bro lik ethat when I was 11 he was 16 but we were both shite at chess lmao

wolfmankurd wrote: I'd say c/c++ without visual shite, somehting you could do with notepad and (g)cc alone! maybe python or perl and php dabble in ASM!

i dont like the visual "shite" either. although my school has visual basic compilers (that only two people know of me and my m8). HTML was my first simply because the only tool i had was; dadum! notepad. USEFUL COMMENT ( first time ever ) dont do ASM unless you want to program viruses, reverse code and that shit ive tried ASM before i did 10 miles of code for an extremely simple program.

ha ha yeah.

ok, once and for all:

VB sucks!

ok, now that we've cleared that up..

go learn python… or C

and yes woldman; 4 moves is the shortest possible time to get checkmate.

richohealey wrote: and yes woldman; 4 moves is the shortest possible time to get checkmate.

Yep. Only 4 moves. That one is called shepherd checkmate in my country. I do it to newbies. Muwhaha

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djdotti wrote: I like my programs to be rather visual though …. The program i am trying to make is ….

A script Bible A program layed out like this

¶|––––––––––––––––| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |

Btw i notied the above ^^ didnt pharse right when viewing

The left hand side contains a tree with a list of Script Programs, when the item is clicked the right hand side shows the script/tutorial etc.

=] Does that help

Yea, it could be done with VB.NET the easiest. If you want to use C# or Python, be my guest but you need to learn much, much MUCH more complicated code then you need. Seriously, go with VB. Don't listen to everyone who says that VB is shit, cause it's not casts a frowning look through the crowd. I seriously, SERIOUSLY advise you to use VB.

actually checkmate is possible in two moves

atrcomb wrote: actually checkmate is possible in two moves

NO IT'S NOT.

Only if you kill the king (I mean if you put the petard on the table)

richohealey wrote: ok, once and for all: VB sucks!

1. I'm supposing you have only tried VB6.0
2. You can do any program in VB.Net that you can in C++, if you are a VB.Net pro that is. Some examples that me and h3x has made in VB.net: MAC-spoofer, Smurf attacker, Sniffer(TCP, UDP & ICMP), Bluetooth hijacker and a Windows XP Rooter. Those are pretty advanced programs all made with VB and i bet you couldnt do it in C++.

VB Does NOT suck, and you shouldnt make a statement about a language that you only have tried an old version of.

atrcomb:

HOW? because i know it's not

richohealey wrote: atrcomb:

HOW? because i know it's not

I think geo wants a reply from you :right:

lol here:

sorry it took so long i had to make that.

if you odnt understand google fools mate

well ii'll be jiggered.

/me concedes.

although my one can actually come up in a game.. anyone that gets done by taht deverves it.

atrcomb wrote: lol here:

sorry it took so long i had to make that.

if you odnt understand google fools mate

How the fuck did I forgot about it.:o I remember now. It was in some book…

Nice animation. Maybe you could finish my avatar. :p

richohealey wrote: well ii'll be jiggered.

/me concedes.

although my one can actually come up in a game.. anyone that gets done by taht deverves it.

hehe yeh i agree

[quote]kaksii wrote: [quote]atrcomb wrote: lol here:

nice :D

thk-geo wrote: richohealey wrote: ok, once and for all: VB sucks!

1. I'm supposing you have only tried VB6.0
2. You can do any program in VB.Net that you can in C++, if you are a VB.Net pro that is. Some examples that me and h3x has made in VB.net: MAC-spoofer, Smurf attacker, Sniffer(TCP, UDP & ICMP), Bluetooth hijacker and a Windows XP Rooter. Those are pretty advanced programs all made with VB and i bet you couldnt do it in C++.

VB Does NOT suck, and you shouldnt make a statement about a language that you only have tried an old version of.

sorry, i should have noticed and replied earlier.

IMO (yes, everything i say is just my opinion) VB is a pointless language. it's not portable at all, which doesn't matter for a professional developer say, who writes email clients (whatever) for the general public, but presumably a lot of your code is run by hackers. what percentage of hackers/IT enthusiasts run linux?

yes WINE i know. i don't want to have to run wine. i want stuff to run locally dammit.

and as you say, you can do anything that c++ can. why not just do it in c++?

anything you can do in c i can do in python, (well, i can do nearly anything anyway) since i can just load it as a PyObject and use it.

i hope this clears up the reasons for my hatred of VB.

later

For GUI… well C# if your totally new to the scene, its easier to learn than C (although i prefer c) and microsofts documentation is excellent. Also if you download XNA you can homebrew Xbox 360 games/make windoze games..

C 4TW!

Those are pretty advanced programs all made with VB and i bet you couldnt do it in C++.

A million dollars says I could and that I could do it more efficiently.

Make a bootloader in VB or better yet, try and code an OS in VB.

-Nirucesis

Nirucesis wrote: A million dollars says I could and that I could do it more efficiently.

Make a bootloader in VB or better yet, try and code an OS in VB.

-Nirucesis

PWNT!

id recommend c# its easy, understandable and fun + the biggest advantage is that thanx to the mono project you can compile your projects to run in linux. ive used it alot, trust me if you cant do it in c# it cant be done or its not worth doing.

P.s before i get sodomi*** by everyone for that last comment its my own opinion and im entitled to it.(i just said it to piss everyone off)

kmamoun wrote: id recommend c# its easy, understandable and fun + the biggest advantage is that thanx to the mono project you can compile your projects to run in linux. ive used it alot, trust me if you cant do it in c# it cant be done or its not worth doing.

P.s before i get sodomi*** by everyone for that last comment its my own opinion and im entitled to it.(i just said it to piss everyone off)

Your statements hold value :) except for your rather ignorant remark that consisted of stating all other languages are inferior to C#. ;)

-Nirucesis

but it can be done FASTER!

but it can be done FASTER!

no way is python development faster than c# at best they could be the same but i repeat again no way is python faster to code than c#

wow….. i mean wow.

Python probably runs slower than c#.

but i'm up for a race man.

kmamoun wrote:

no way is python development faster than c# at best they could be the same but i repeat again no way is python faster to code than c#

That is a personal opinion which is a weak example of inductive reasoning.

e.g.

I code C# faster than Python therefore C# is faster to code than Python

Since both C# and Python have their own way of implementing a form of OOP, both sets of code can be recycled to save as much time as each other and since both have a lot of pre-built libraries and extensions, I'd say they're about equal.

-Nirucesis

i have coded in python but what i mean is that the layout of the framework and naming conventions make it so much easier and faster to code in c# for me. but hey how about a friendly competition. why dont we get someone impartial to think up a challenge and see who can code it faster. just for laughs.