Should Romeo be unbanned? (discussion wasn't over...)
but think about it Grind.. if its a personal dispute, he wasn't thinking to hurt the community here.. or at least that wouldn't be the goal in the end. If an admin runs a website, how would you hurt the admin? you would cripple his website, right? If the dispute or whatever it was, is settled then i wouldn't see any problem forgiving the culprit, because nonetheless.. even if cheese didn't DoS back, Someone did, possibly on Cheese's orders.. or maybe just looking for his second of fame.
You honestly have a valid point there. And yes, both sites have gone down repeatedly, sometimes at the same time for several days at a time. Various members of each site, seem to have taken it upon themselves to attack one another as well. But nothing is harbored against any of them as well i suppose. There are many sides of this argument that aren't seen, on both sides of it, but alas, it is the Admin's decision as to whether a pardon should be given or not
Not only was DMZ dossed back, but there were at least to emails sent to their host, causing them to loose that host. So both sites have suffered, and both sites will continue to suffer. You can't honestly expect Romeo not to keep ddosing HBH after Mr_Cheese banned him again, and you can't expect Mr_Cheese to sit here and do nothing back. It's going to be an ongoing war between these two sites. The only way to stop it is to be civalized about it, and come up with an agreement.
It looks like the agreement has already been reached. RoMeO is done, at the least, if he can be taken at his word. It's hard to trust one that has gone against you but I say he's sincere about it. If he isn't unbanned, at least his account should be removed or something, because he thinks it looks dismal to have to look at all the red on it. It could be said that it reflects his own talents, and that of the site he runs.
If the emails that RoMeO shows on his site's home page are true, then Cheese has done everything within his power, to bring down DMZ, and to keep it down. He has emailed the admin of the hosting companies threatening DDoS against the company, and using his status as a 'professional hacker' to attempt to scare them into giving information on RoMeO, or whoever happened to host the site at the time.
Grindordie wrote: [quote]johnjuan728 wrote: It looks like the agreement has already been reached. RoMeO is done, at the least, if he can be taken at his word. It's hard to trust one that has gone against you but I say he's sincere about it. If he isn't unbanned, at least his account should be removed or something, because he thinks it looks dismal to have to look at all the red on it. It could be said that it reflects his own talents, and that of the site he runs.
You are correct, he cant be trusted thats why it will be extremely hard to forgive. As for the banned text, well you are responsible for your own actions. You have to suffer the consequences of your actions. Its might be shameful, but it made you who you are right now. Its like once you pull the trigger on a handgun and the bullet was shot, you can't reverse it, whats been done has been done. In other words the past is the past.[/quote]
I don't think its just the BANNED message on his profile that gets him.. its the challenge work, there was more he could have done, and he knows it. But it would seem that he has a lack of 'hacking talent' if he couldn't complete the challenges that are so simple to some.. if probably wouldn't bother him so much to be banned if he had completed more of the challenges and it at least looked like he knows what he talks about when a fifteen year old is hosting a hacking website, that seems to almost rival HBH.
Here's how I heard it started.I don't know if it's true or not, just what I heard. And it was a couple weeks ago, so I might get some things wrong.
Someone defaced HBH, or ddos'd it or something and made it look like DMZ did it, but it wasn't them. So HBH attacks DMZ back, and so DMZ attacks HBH back. So techinally HBH attacked DMZ first, because they thoughtDMZ was responsable.
Don't quote me on that though, it's just what I heard, dunno if it's true or not.
johnjuan728 wrote: I don't think its just the BANNED message on his profile that gets him.. its the challenge work, there was more he could have done, and he knows it. But it would seem that he has a lack of 'hacking talent' if he couldn't complete the challenges that are so simple to some.. if probably wouldn't bother him so much to be banned if he had completed more of the challenges and it at least looked like he knows what he talks about when a fifteen year old is hosting a hacking website, that seems to almost rival HBH.
Uhm.. the challenges aren't a problem. It's not that he can't do them, he just doesn't bother to. I havn'teven looked at most of the reals, or any of the recently added challenges. And Romeo is a bit better than me.. I know he would have no problem completing most of them..
Thats just it. He knows he can do the challenges, its no question of his ability. but if he is unable to do them (because of ban.. if ban does that dunno) then it looks as though he is inept. @Grind. RoMeO isn't online anywhere atm
You know we had this discussion on HBHCon aswell, atleast for a little while,
What i know is that almost everything has to do with reaper, because he told me that he found an exploit in HBH, and tried to post it as a bug, but instead he got banned( i know, i dont believe that bullshit either) so then he exploited HBH, defaced it is more the right word. And now hes admin on DMZ, anybody but me sees a connection there?, but i would never ever think Cheese DoSed back, and about DMZ being down for awhile sometimes, well, thing is that its been down since like 8months back, because recoding the CMS…
root_op wrote: You know we had this discussion on HBHCon aswell, atleast for a little while,
What i know is that almost everything has to do with reaper, because he told me that he found an exploit in HBH, and tried to post it as a bug, but instead he got banned( i know, i dont believe that bullshit either) so then he exploited HBH, defaced it is more the right word. And now hes admin on DMZ, anybody but me sees a connection there?, but i would never ever think Cheese DoSed back, and about DMZ being down for awhile sometimes, well, thing is that its been down since like 8months back, because recoding the CMS…
Originally they weren't recoding the CMS, RoMeO has posted on his site what always goes on with it. He admits to be DoSed, he admits that someone found a fluke in security or coding, whatever. Yes the Reaper did find the exploit, he did report it, nothing happened, so he exploited it, I remember, I was online the whole time, thought it was kinna funny to be honest with you, he did a good job with the defacement. Yes Cheese DID DoS back, or at least threaten to, and -Cl did DoS it as well.. I'm sure others did, and you know more than just RoMeO has DoSsed HBH.
use their own lame gd tools agains them? http://www.blackfiresecurity.org/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=28&thread_id=67