Virginia Tech
No doubt most of you heard what happened. If you didn't…a boy walked into a dorm at Virginia Tech and shot two girls. Afterwards he went back to his own dorm to reload and then went to an educational building, chained the doors shut, and started moving from classroom to classroom killing people. 33 people are dead, and many more are injured because of this man's stupid stupid actions.
I wanted to ask everyone in this community to keep the students and families of Virginia Tech in your thoughts and prayers.
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Counting the killer there are 33 people dead, and 17 injured.
I feel little empathy towards the killer himself, but I feel extremely sorry for his family. I get the feeling they're going to be crucified for their son's actions. Not a good thing.
Lets all have a moment of silence for all the people who died that day.
But one thing i have to say. The united states makes things like this a big thing (it is a big thing but, look at the big picture). I mean when there was the tsunami it was on the news for for to 5 days. about a thousand people died that day by now i bet almost everyone forgot about that day. when something kinda big happen in the united states, it will be on television for a long time. Thats why people hate Americans. To get to the real point, he was korean and if you where watching the news and think big, you will know that he meant that the Americans made him do that. Think about that. Make the Lord bless all those families who lost there love ones.
Folk Theory wrote: yeah the murderer also had a family of normal people that worried about him and loved him and now not only is he dead but theyre scarred forever by his actions and all the lives their son/brother destroyed…
i heard from someone that he was picked on as a child. or that he wasn't..? i heard that his parents were cruel to him. i wish i could get the real info. only neo knows..
Heres the newest updates as of now http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18185859/. @ shadowls NOONE including americans made or forced him to do this,That's being racial and stupid,It's clear if you read the story in full this boy had problems all along. I mean come on people have pissed me off but I never thought hey I'm gonna get me some guns and take as many people out as I can. Look at his history in the storyline. Just can't see how anyone could go to this extreme no matter what….. senseless:angry:
On my way home from school on the bus i found yesterdays paper so most of you have probally heard this but this was one of the articals in it
"SICK online criminals are already attempting to cash in on the virginia tech massacre, it emerged today. Hackers sent out thousands of emails offering camera phone footage of the shootings. But the the links lead ti a Brazilian website which is hiding software to steal bank details. The spyware attempts to steal banking passwords and other confidential infomation from the computers of online bankers. Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant for Sophos, an IT security firm, said the hackers were "sick". He added the "have no qualms about making money out of other peoples misery". In the past, hackers have used natural disasters and atrocities such as Hurricane Katrina, the Boxing Day tsunami and the London bombings to steal banking setails. Mr Cluley said conputer users should make sure their anti-virus software is up to date and to be cautious of unsolicitced emails"
Now to me this is one of the sickest things anyone could have done on such a horrible event :(
On my way home from school on the bus i found yesterdays paper so most of you have probally heard this but this was one of the articals in it
"SICK online criminals are already attempting to cash in on the virginia tech massacre, it emerged today. Hackers sent out thousands of emails offering camera phone footage of the shootings. But the the links lead ti a Brazilian website which is hiding software to steal bank details. The spyware attempts to steal banking passwords and other confidential infomation from the computers of online bankers. Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant for Sophos, an IT security firm, said the hackers were "sick". He added the "have no qualms about making money out of other peoples misery". In the past, hackers have used natural disasters and atrocities such as Hurricane Katrina, the Boxing Day tsunami and the London bombings to steal banking setails. Mr Cluley said conputer users should make sure their anti-virus software is up to date and to be cautious of unsolicitced emails"
Now to me this is one of the sickest things anyone could have done on such a horrible event :( and i hope someone can at least get arested or something
Meh, people will make profit off of anything. I don't find it sick as just simply taking advantage of people's emotions.
I don't feel remorse for these people. I didn't really care in the first palce, but then i read, "Even the people who were playing dead got shot," which made me actually like that those people died. There was another school shooting and the guy had 5 guns, in which after taking out, i believe 2 people, some students tackled his ass.
Some people may think that the above is cold & heartless, but i strongly believe we need to filter out the weak from our society. Playing dead while the guy is still shooting people and not trying to save people or even take out the guy is what i would call weak.
The members of the WBC are going to preach at their funerals http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
nights_shadow wrote: Meh, people will make profit off of anything. I don't find it sick as just simply taking advantage of people's emotions.
I don't feel remorse for these people. I didn't really care in the first palce, but then i read, "Even the people who were playing dead got shot," which made me actually like that those people died. There was another school shooting and the guy had 5 guns, in which after taking out, i believe 2 people, some students tackled his ass.
Some people may think that the above is cold & heartless, but i strongly believe we need to filter out the weak from our society. Playing dead while the guy is still shooting people and not trying to save people or even take out the guy is what i would call weak. RIGHT ON! but maybe they were actually dead on the floor?
I personally think this is horrible… but even more horrible is WBC "Preaching" at the funerals… (http://www.godhatesamerica.com/robots.txt) wink
**nights_shadow wrote:**I don't feel remorse for these people. I didn't really care in the first palce, but then i read, "Even the people who were playing dead got shot," which made me actually like that those people died. There was another school shooting and the guy had 5 guns, in which after taking out, i believe 2 people, some students tackled his ass.
Some people may think that the above is cold & heartless, but i strongly believe we need to filter out the weak from our society. Playing dead while the guy is still shooting people and not trying to save people or even take out the guy is what i would call weak.
fucking nazi, why not kill the poor too? or the mentally retarded?
Its so wrong how ppl go and do shit like that 4 NO reson! it really pisses me off now ppl like him deserve 2 got shot. i probally would have tried to help ppl and wouldve gottin shot. im not very lucky. i was watchin that on tv and when they said he was usin stuff like 22mm pistol and stuff like that i thought , "WTF!!!" Some1 should have done somethin bout it. did yall see the pics and videos that he send to cnn? He was crazy. :ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja:
jaggedlancer wrote: Yeah, not everyone can be as "heroic" as you can they and fight against the mad man with a gun trying to reenact a scen from a film :|
I concur.
When I heard the the WBC was going to "preach"(AKA protest) at the funerals I was extremely pissed off by it. Honestly…no one needs that at their child's funeral, especially when all the WBC is going to do is hold up signs that say god hates f**s.
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Also, when I got up this morning to go to work this thread had absolutely no replies…now it's got 22. You guys got into some serious discussion while I was gone.
Classical example of blaming the victim. Yes, the people Cho Seung-hui shot are victims.
But let's not forget Cho Seung-hui is a product of American society, he wasn't born a killer, he was made like that.
For all the ignorant racists out there, and all the people who think more guns solves this issue: Fuck you.
How unfair it may be, Cho Seung-hui killed his killers. Cause he was dead long before he commited suicide.
My respects towards all victims, family and friends of them too. That includes the family of Cho Seung-hui, they lost someone too. (Long before the shooting.)
[EDIT] Oh, and Jackass Thompson, go play in the traffic. [/EDIT]
"*But let's not forget Cho Seung-hui is a product of American society, he wasn't born a killer, he was made like that. *"
I think saying he's a product of American society is a little bit bigoted, I don't know many other Americans who turn into crazy people like him. I don't think you meant that American society produces killers, but thought I should point out how that might be read before some idiot tries to flame you over it.
For all the ignorant racists out there, and all the people who think more guns solves this issue: Fuck you.
I don't want to turn this into an argument about gun control. But how many people would he have killed if the teachers in those classrooms had a pistol in their desks? Or if a handful of students had concealed weapons licenses? Nowhere near as many as he did.
How unfair it may be, Cho Seung-hui killed his killers. Cause he was dead long before he commited suicide.
I concur with you on this one
Oh, and Jackass Thompson, go play in the traffic.
True
Well I suppose that I could my two sense in on this. ON the arguement about more weapons ( I AM IN THE MARINES) so you can probably guess where I stand on that.
Now as far as the people laying on the floor like cowards… I don't blame em… Some of us are born to be heroic and some not… I mean yes they probably could of disarmed the guy… Especially since they were handguns… but oh well.. Theres no reason for everyone to be arguing about this… Its done, its over, so pray for the families or keep in your thoughts at least, and move on.
And as far as thos cho guy, he wasn't born a killer, no one is. But everythign that took place in his life, formed into the mindset of a killer, and so he killed.
Theres no reason to argue about this… just learn from it, improve whatever needs to be improved, and then hope that it doesnt happen again, and if it does, then they will be ready for it….
Well I've read everyone's opinion and "two cents" on this topic and felt like adding my own.
I am not an American, however, I do go to American University and have come to see the full impact of this tragedy. My suite-mate had a friend whom was killed, so I know how it has affected people close to the incident. HOWEVER, I must admit that this will probably be blown out of proportion. I am in no way bashing Americans (after all, I am here studying now…), I am simply stating that this is their way or portraying the event. Last spring, back home in Canada, a student of Vanier college walked into the school, shot 26 people dead, and then turned the gun on himself…yet I doubt the story was broadcasted anywhere outside of the country. It was a terrible tragedy that the world failed to notice, yet it has pretty much the same range as this recent incident.
All this to say that the world is not a cozy little paradise that most people think it can be. The world is a cruel, nasty place where we must learn how to stand up and fight, or lay down and die. This is not an isolated incident, it happens all over the world, and probably will continue to happen. Its horrible! I will be the first one to say that this world need to change, but human corruption knows no bounds.
All we can strive for is to make the best of our situations and be a positive influence in the world. Who knows, by making a friend we may prevent the next VT incident…
J2383 wrote:* I think saying he's a product of American society is a little bit bigoted, I don't know many other Americans who turn into crazy people like him. I don't think you meant that American society produces killers, but thought I should point out how that might be read before some idiot tries to flame you over it.*
Well, true, kind of. He is a product of the society in the whole world. His world exists of his parents (+family), the people directly around him (students/neighbours/friends (or the lack of friends)) and the environment. I don't mean to directly attack America, I just would like to point out the fact that he isn't born as a killer.
[i] I don't want to turn this into an argument about gun control. But how many people would he have killed if the teachers in those classrooms had a pistol in their desks? Or if a handful of students had concealed weapons licenses? Nowhere near as many as he did.[i/]
True, if everyone on the campus had a gun Seung-hui was killed before he could harm so many people. But do you really think that "more guns, less killings" works? Just compare America to any other country that doesn't allow 'normal' civilians to be armed, you will see that America has more shootings, and more deaths. If no civilian ever could get a gun, there were no shootings between civilians.
Less guns = less shootings = less victims of shootings More guns = more shootings = more victims of shootings
J2383 wrote: I don't want to turn this into an argument about gun control. But how many people would he have killed if the teachers in those classrooms had a pistol in their desks? Or if a handful of students had concealed weapons licenses? Nowhere near as many as he did.
thats a joke right? :whoa:
heres a solution: control your fucking gun problem this is not the solution: start arming children and schools.
how many more shootings like this will it take before you (america) takes your head out of the sand and actually realises… you have a problem. now obvioulsy im not saying its a simple solution and will take bloody ages to actually fix and sort out… but first step is bloody admitting you have a gun problem.
so yes i think this is another gun control issue. any other factor about this problem cant really be put to down to anything.
- guy was a complete nutter ^^ its unpracticaly and unnessiary to screen every single pupil at a school for previous convictions/mental health.. in reality that just wont happen.
- uni didnt shut down and carried on. ^^ fair play police told them it was isolated incodent. which im sure being told something by the police who deal witht hat stuff every day, you'd believe them. so.. whipe up the mess, clean up the bodies, and carry on the day as normal. let police deal with it.
so the third issue is: easily getting hold of guns.
Whichever muppet said that if everyone had guns a murderer would just get shot by someone else.
How wrong can you be.
All it means is that the one person with a gun can get is more easily and therefore kill more easily. Letting everyone have guns for their own protection just increases the amount of vigilanties
Yes stabbings, how many deaths per year are there per 1000 people compared to the US?
US murders per capita (per person) 0.042802 per 1,000 people
UK 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
Less than a third
Better gun control fewer murders FACT
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
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wolfmankurd wrote: RIGHT ON! but maybe they were actually dead on the floor?
Rofl, well, if you're dead you can't really do anything. I just meant the ones that played dead.
**Folk Theory wrote:**fucking nazi, why not kill the poor too? or the mentally retarded?
I'm not grouping people by their social status.
1.) I don't really see the poor as weak and/or timid as they have to struggle just to wake up the next day. Some even go without eating for a few days at a time. From what i've seen from the poor, they protect their own.
2.) I can't really address the situation of killing all the mentally handicapped because it would take a coward to even think about attacking someone who might not be able to even comprehend what was going on.
There's really nothing i can say that would allow you to understand. It's a matter of thinking, you either understand the thinking or you don't. I don't think a middle-ground exists here.
cis_slayer wrote: dude thats pretty harsh…..i DO think laying around playing dead and not doing anything about it is STUPID but you have to have pitty on them man…:xx:…..have a heart
I pity that the people i was talking about thought they could outsmart their attacker by playing possum.
jaggedlancer wrote: Yeah, not everyone can be as "heroic" as you can they and fight against the mad man with a gun trying to reenact a scen from a film :|
This is true, i have seen people "freeze" when in the face of danger. But, you can't really "freeze" when trying to play dead. There's several things going on. Lay down, try not to breathe or move and don't jump at the sound of gunshot. Not exactly "freezing."
Also, this is why i lay the case of the other shooting. Two people dead and the shooter was tackled. No, he was not beat up by a golf club that just happened to be laying around, he was just tackled and that was the end of the story. No crazy movie heroics in that case. This guy managed to injure 26 and kill 32 without even being touched.
**Frost_T wrote:**All this to say that the world is not a cozy little paradise that most people think it can be. The world is a cruel, nasty place where we must learn how to stand up and fight, or lay down and die. This is not an isolated incident, it happens all over the world, and probably will continue to happen. Its horrible! I will be the first one to say that this world need to change, but human corruption knows no bounds.
Agree completely.
I'm not going to get into the issue of gun control because either one works for me.
nights_shadow wrote: Meh, people will make profit off of anything. I don't find it sick as just simply taking advantage of people's emotions.
I don't feel remorse for these people. I didn't really care in the first palce, but then i read, "Even the people who were playing dead got shot," which made me actually like that those people died. There was another school shooting and the guy had 5 guns, in which after taking out, i believe 2 people, some students tackled his ass.
Some people may think that the above is cold & heartless, but i strongly believe we need to filter out the weak from our society. Playing dead while the guy is still shooting people and not trying to save people or even take out the guy is what i would call weak.
i agree. but it also depends on how the remorse of the shooter, i mean if cho (w.e the fuck his name is) got 33 kills then shiiit…he obviously didnt have any.
plus what is feeling bad for all these dead people going to do for you sides scaring you, and depressing you. you cant let you're emotions get the best of you people. LOL@8bit :D
@last post and quote… sure alot of the people who were shot were playing dead but those who weren't and just got killed were not the weak in society they just werent bulletproof… but it is true you need to keep a degree of control on your emotions
johnjuan728 wrote: @last post and quote… sure alot of the people who were shot were playing dead but those who weren't and just got killed were not the weak in society they just werent bulletproof… but it is true you need to keep a degree of control on your emotions
Well, i actually just meant the people that played dead, not everyone. Obviously you can't do anything if someone walks up behind you and shoots you in the back of the head, you know. ;)
Stricter gun laws will do nothing, after all, the only thing that makes guns dangerous are the people behind them. The Virginia Tech massacre was the result of societal problems–not because of access to weapons. In fact, many people think that if there had been more liberal gun laws, Virginia Tech could have been prevented because the other students would have been able to fight back.
Cho wasn't a good person, but he wasn't a monster either. Modern day culture caters to a certain personality type, and if you don't fit it, you're often made to feel alienated and dysfunctional. I think the saddest thing about Virginia Tech is that it takes the deaths of 30 people for society to stop and take a look at itself.
Saibine wrote: I think the saddest thing about Virginia Tech is that it takes the deaths of 30 people for society to stop and take a look at itself. Folk Theory wrote: the saddest thing about virginia tech is that 30 people died…
but i agree with the rest of what you said.
For some reason, when people are randomly killed everyone assumes that they were such "saintly" and "innocent" souls. They weren't so angelic, they were hedonistic rich kids who made Cho's life a living hell.
Meanwhile our nation's governments are enslaving and murdering countless other innocent people around the globe without question. They are in fact doing what Cho did, yet on a massive scale. Yet when one student goes on a killing rampage they automatically become a "'monster."
**Saibine wrote:**For some reason, when people are randomly killed everyone assumes that they were such "saintly" and "innocent" souls. They weren't so angelic, they were hedonistic rich kids who made Cho's life a living hell.
Meanwhile our nation's governments are enslaving and murdering countless other innocent people around the globe without question. They are in fact doing what Cho did, yet on a massive scale. Yet when one student goes on a killing rampage they automatically become a "'monster."
ROFL!!!!!!
That is the biggest laugh i've yet to get all day. So he "perhaps" got teased by these "rich" kids. Big deal, punch them in the face, break their nose, etc. Are you saying that you know for a FACT these 32 people, in which several of them just happened to be in the same class, had teased this Cho guy to the point of where he's willing to take his own life to seek revenge on them? If this was the case, he should have just taken his own life as he obviously wouldn't have been able to handle what life would've given him.
You are missing some major key points here. Well, obviously, for one you have no proof to any of what you are saying and it also seems like you don't know several of the publicly known facts about this. Did you perhaps get to see or read about the video he sent to the school? You telling me that he sent this because he had a problem with harrasment?
Believe me its not that easy to run at a man and try to tackle him while hes got a gun pointed in your face. It would be stupid to just try and take him out without a plan. Playing dead might work. Just wait till he goes past you class. Get up, grab somthing heavy and try and knock him unconscience. If everyone ran at him and tries to take him put yea that would probably work but it would be a lot harder.
Anyway on gun control. If someone wants a gun there going to be able to get it. There should be gun control but not insanley strict control.
Conaman12 wrote: Believe me its not that easy to run at a man and try to tackle him while hes got a gun pointed in your face. It would be stupid to just try and take him out without a plan. Playing dead might work. Just wait till he goes past you class. Get up, grab somthing heavy and try and knock him unconscience. If everyone ran at him and tries to take him put yea that would probably work but it would be a lot harder.
Anyway on gun control. If someone wants a gun there going to be able to get it. There should be gun control but not insanley strict control.
If this guy had a gun pointed at your face, you would have been dead already. As for tackling the guy, it was done, that's why i gave the example.
January 1979 – Brenda Spencer, 17, got a rifle for Christmas and used it to shoot into an elementary school across the street from her home in San Diego, California. Eight children and a police officer were injured, and two men lost their lives protecting the kids. When the six-hour standoff finally ended, Brenda explained with a shrug, “I don’t like Mondays.â€
February 2, 1996 – Barry Loukaitis, 14, dressed up like a gunslinger from the Wild West and went into his algebra class in Moses Lake, Washington. Concealed in his long duster were two pistols, seventy-eight rounds of ammunition, and a high-powered rifle. His first victim was 14-year-old Manuel Vela, who later died. Another classmate fell with a bullet to his chest, and then Loukaitis shot his teacher in the back as she was writing a problem on the blackboard. A 13-year-old girl took the fourth bullet in her arm. Then the shooter took hostages, allowing the wounded to be removed, but was stymied by a teacher who rushed him and put an end to the irrational siege. In all, three people died, and Loukaitis blamed “mood swings.†A classmate claimed that Loukaitis had thought it would be "fun" to go on a killing spree.
December 1, 1997 – Michael Carneal, 14, liked to wear black and was thought by classmates in Paducah, Kentucky, to be a Satanist. That morning, he brought a gun to school and opened fire on a small prayer group. Three girls died and five other students were wounded. Another student tackled him, and it was soon revealed that Carneal had a pistol, two rifles, and two shotguns, along with 700 rounds of ammunition, all of it stolen. He’d threatened earlier to “shoot up†the school, but no one had taken him seriously.
May 21, 1998 – Kipland Kinkel, 15, had just been expelled from school in Springfield, Oregon, for carrying a gun to class. He returned with a semiautomatic rifle and went into the cafeteria, where he started shooting. He killed one student and wounded eight others, one of whom later died, and he also caused a stampede that resulted in more injuries. He was disarmed and taken to the police station, where he withdrew a hidden knife. He claimed he wanted to die. Police officers who went to his home discovered that he’d killed both of his parents and had booby-trapped the house with five homemade bombs—one of which he'd placed underneath his mother’s corpse. His classmates had once dubbed him the student “most likely to start World War III.â€
April 24, 1998 – Andrew J. Wurst, 14, liked to threaten other people and then laugh it off. However, no one was laughing when he took a pistol into the eighth-grade graduation dance in Edinboro, Pennsylvania, and killed a popular teacher. Then he opened fire into the crowd, wounding another teacher and two classmates before he ran out. The banquet hall owner went after him, disarmed him, and held him for police, but the boy acted as if the whole thing was a big joke.
In all of these cases, the attacker was disarmed [edit]or protected others (see case 1)[/edit]. Some ran after the attacker without a plan. It's just instinctual for some people and it works more than you might think.
nights_shadow wrote: [quote]**Saibine wrote:**For some reason, when people are randomly killed everyone assumes that they were such "saintly" and "innocent" souls. They weren't so angelic, they were hedonistic rich kids who made Cho's life a living hell.
Meanwhile our nation's governments are enslaving and murdering countless other innocent people around the globe without question. They are in fact doing what Cho did, yet on a massive scale. Yet when one student goes on a killing rampage they automatically become a "'monster."
ROFL!!!!!!
That is the biggest laugh i've yet to get all day. So he "perhaps" got teased by these "rich" kids. Big deal, punch them in the face, break their nose, etc. Are you saying that you know for a FACT these 32 people, in which several of them just happened to be in the same class, had teased this Cho guy to the point of where he's willing to take his own life to seek revenge on them? If this was the case, he should have just taken his own life as he obviously wouldn't have been able to handle what life would've given him.
You are missing some major key points here. Well, obviously, for one you have no proof to any of what you are saying and it also seems like you don't know several of the publicly known facts about this. Did you perhaps get to see or read about the video he sent to the school? You telling me that he sent this because he had a problem with harrasment?[/quote]
cho seung-hui: "Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats. Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs. Your trust funds wasn't enough. Your vodka and cognac wasn't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything." -Cho Seung-Hui, aka Virginia Tech Gunman
I'm afraid it is you, not I that is misinformed.
So? If i were to write something about you that weren't true, would me writing it of made it true? I didn't say you were misinformed, i said you had no proof to what you were saying.
For some reason, when people are randomly killed everyone assumes that they were such "saintly" and "innocent" souls. They weren't so angelic, they were hedonistic rich kids who made Cho's life a living hell.
Maybe he had a grudge against them for being rich, maybe they didn't talk to him at all! They still might not have made his life a living hell and there's a high probablibity that he is only talking about a FEW kids and thought that everyone else had to be like those couple of people.
Out of all the psychiatric evaluations this kid has gone through, don't you think he has a probability of being in delusion?