Goodbye, HellBound Hackers.
First of all, the contents of this post are not to be taken offensively. Everything said is my own opinion.
I am leaving HellBound Hackers. Forever? Yes. I honestly cannot see much (if any) improvement for HBH in the future; it has been going downhill for a long time. It seems to me that the main things focused on do not help the community, but are simply to give entertainment. For example, the interviews were focused on without anything being done, when new challenges could have been added to provide more learning for the community. No new challenges have been added for quite some time, and I know for a fact that many have been submitted directly to Mr_Cheese who is in charge of setting them up. He has now informed me that he is starting "hbh pod casts" and will probably put all his focus into that instead of fixing the administrator problem (many of the old HBH admins have left and there are now only 4, two are completely new and have had no experience).
The main focus on HBH should helping give knowledge to the members of the community. New challenges should be added regularly and the IRC channel should not be used to completely random chat. I have been in HBH's IRC channel many times and have rarely heard any productive conversations about security or HBH. I know most of the challenges are not realistic at all and cannot be applied to real situations, but newcomers can still learn much from them.
Also, there is very little mentoring that goes on in the HBH community. The mentor part of the forum rarely gets used and when it does, it is not very productive.
As a final note, the exclusive membership is not worth its price. The exclusive member part of the forum is hardly ever used and the features are next to useless.
Many of the old administrators have left already, as you should know. I am not joining them with their new site or whatever they're doing, but you can say that I'm leaving like them.
For the reasons mentioned above, I am leaving HBH. I hope things turn around for HBH, but I honestly doubt they will.
SlimTim10 wrote: As a final note, the exclusive membership is not worth its price. The exclusive member part of the forum is hardly ever used and the features are next to useless.
i wrote that on the forums but all that happened was flamed flamed flamed!
anyway, goodbye slimtim i didn't really know you that well but i wish you well in the future, may i ask what your going on to do now?
I never really got to know you but I could tell you were a helpful admin before I started HBH.I have seen your participation on HBH decline as time went on. It is a shame you feel that you have to leave. I hope you find what you are looking for and Stop by some time in the future to see if HBH has become what you feel it should have been all along. Your points are valid and I agree to some of them.
live.learn.hack.
.::ZTB::.
SlimTim10 , what are you trying to do … leave with a big bang … no'one cares if you leave , if you leave then you leave no'one gives a shit , some might some might not , but was there really a point in typing all that out , i dont care about your opinion or why you or the other admins left , if you left then you guys are fags , you got admin , you didn't like it cause you didn't have good permissions (probally) then you ditched hbh , you guys are fucking faggats , you say your loyal then you just leave and so what if cheese is busy give the guy a fucking break
This is probably one mention SlimTim10 didn't mention, so many useless posts, spam, morons, and derelicts. The post above me, I see it as spam, take your personal messages elsewhere. Also it is coming from a moderate, probably hasn't been here long and doesn't even know who he is, yet another stupid/pointless/spam post. I wish SlimTim10 the best of luck wherever he goes and the javascript 15 challenge was a fun one. More to add on with the problems here; The polls are updated about once every 3 months, rarely any new challenges, more spam, morons, probably only 700 out of 15308 users have even posted at least once, half of those were spam and "How to hack" posts. I rarely see any spam topics deleted which adds to the spam count. 1/8 of articles are crap and copied, I can't remember when I got a newsletter when I subscribed like a year ago. The stegano challenges will give 485 points?! The other challenges, Get Firefox? Install Linux on your box? I don't see how installing Linux or Firefox is helpful increasing you hacking knowledge. Make an animated gif, link to hbh, more non-learning challenges. I just hope the admins will help clean up this place. And farewell SlimTim10.
Damn ya'll, I realize this is a volatile topic, but there is no reason to start flaming each other over it. If some wants to leave, let them leave. If you want to stay, stay. Argueing with them is probably not going to convince them otherwise. And if you disagree with someone posting a goodbye, just don't respond. If someone, espescially someone like slimtim who has done so much for hbh and probably knows too many people here to send individual pms, wants to let people know they are leaving they have that right. Besides, if they are saying they are leaving, they probably won't read anything you post after that.
Nobody is begging him to stay, just morons flaming him as he leaves. I just expanded to some of his complaints on HBH. Most of the posts by xtc have been flaming and pointless, as you stated, he is not going to be reading this most likely. The posts here are a great idea on how this community is functioning, the admins should read over the complaints and try to improve them. Also just a side note; turbocharged_06 with 300 points quotes"go to hell @ gay admin leaving" Is this what the community has become? I remember once upon a time when there was minimal spam and the admins don't seem to be doing much about it. A post like that, I would ban. my reasons, first the language, second he doesn't even know the guy and he is telling him to go to hell.
You know, SlimTim10 was a respectable admin here on HBH. He was very wise and helpful to the community. He posted this thread to originally say his goodbyes to the community, and now you guys are turning it into a battlefield.
Stop ruining this thread with your bickering and flaming.
SlimTim10: Best wishes to ya man.
You are so cool! Did it ever occur to you that you are an ASSHOLE? Seriously, all I have seen you do is flame others. I wold rather not post in the Comments and Suggestion box as I would like my thought heard by others, not just the administrators. You see, if it wasn't for SlimTim10 I wouldn't have actually thought of the negative issues here. I was hoping that others would read my post, and add their views on the positive and negative issues here.
I don't post much but I have read enough to know that its true, some of the members of HBH come on and just ask for people to do something for them instead of learning for themselves. Lots of flaming is happening as you can see with some of the posts above. I stopped going to the IRC channel at all because when I did it was either empty/pointless conversations and when I would ask for help or for someone to point me in the right direction they wouldnt respond. Anyways Slim, you were a great mod and will be greatly missed, in what seems to be the downfall of HBH.
malovent wrote: I don't post much but I have read enough to know that its true, some of the members of HBH come on and just ask for people to do something for them instead of learning for themselves. Lots of flaming is happening as you can see with some of the posts above. I stopped going to the IRC channel at all because when I did it was either empty/pointless conversations and when I would ask for help or for someone to point me in the right direction they wouldnt respond. Anyways Slim, you were a great mod and will be greatly missed, in what seems to be the downfall of HBH.
basicly just copied slimtim lol… but anyway
He was saying goodbye… That should be ok for anyone who's been here more than a month or two to do without getting flamed… Even if they aren't an admin… I don't see why you all have to get so bitchy about it… If you don't know him ignore the post… A lot of people here obviously do so let them have the thread
Just to show you all something:
Pointless Flaming Posts:
Ponguile xTc turbocharged_06 hacker_jacob (2nd post)
Good, Worth reading posts: SlimTim10 system_meltdown hack4u Grindordie ZeckOwner BluMoose -The_Flash- ziggythebear tancurrom Poisen-Flame h4xguy zachisyourdaddy hacker_jacob (1st post) malovent Placebo only_samurai insidious 32to28
This is probably one mention SlimTim10 didn't mention, so many useless posts, spam, morons, and derelicts. The post above me, I see it as spam, take your personal messages elsewhere. Also it is coming from a moderate, probably hasn't been here long and doesn't even know who he is, yet another stupid/pointless/spam post. I completely agree with you. I posted on a thread yesterday (Israeli Hackers) about all people post nowadays is spam and flaming and the persons question doesn't even get answered anymore. I then was flamed by turbocharged_06. So it shows they don't care what you say and won't even bother to read your posts. And about him being a moderate, and the challenges being pointless, the only way to get points on this site and to rank up is to post, and do challenges. So it was easy for him and people like xTc and Ponguile to rank up because the content of your post isn't what matters, its how many posts you get. So every time Ponguile or xTc (2 main flamers of this thread) post your spam, congrats guys, your ranking up. Maybe one day you'll reach HBH Guru and it won't mean anything to you. OOO I wanna swear too!!
Fuck Bitch Asshole Fag Damn Shit!
YAY Im fitting in! Good job Ponguile, by posting more spam you're ranking up, why don't you swear a few more times and like i said, you'll be a Guru. In my opinion the rank means nothing anymore.> lol @ him , when i was 10 my favorite words would be damn and shit so when i got pissed i would say "damnshit"So now you're having a conversation about swear words? Go take this somewhere else like on AIM or MSN. But don't waste your energy here, because you just make yourselves look more of an ass and earn more disrespect. I completely agree with everything 32to28 has said, because they pretty much sum up what I have noticed for a while now. I agree that the place needs to be cleaned up, and perhaps Cheese could take the time to make a thread about what the members think should be cleaned up. The rules about spamming need to be stricter, because slowly, this place is turning into a bunch of spammers, flamers, and "How do I hack". It is no longer a learning place because as stated previously, most of the articles are copied and pasted!, and the forums are purely for flaming. I love this site, and I hate to see it becoming this. I fully back 32to28's opinion and SlimTim10's. I realize I have probably made some enemies with my categorization of pointless posts and the worth reading posts, but I think it had to be shown. [/offtopic] SlimTim10, thanks so much, you helped me out alot on MSN, and in PM's and I truly think you were a great admin. Even though I wasn't the easiest to help. I respect your decision, and wish you luck. end3r
end3r wrote: and perhaps Cheese could take the time to make a thread about what the members think should be cleaned up. The rules about spamming need to be stricter, because slowly, this place is turning into a bunch of spammers, flamers, and "How do I hack".
well with the new admins we have now, we are taking a more 0-tolerance level with ignorant, pointless, spamming posts. not to mention -The_Flash- who is probably the most comical and "no nonsense" person on hbh. :)
well with the new admins we have now, we are taking a more 0-tolerance level with ignorant, pointless, spamming posts.Well look at all the spammers and flamers behind me, behind this page. What effect does this 0-tolerance have on them? They still rampage around and flame and spam when they want, take xTc. He has warn level 90, and yet, he has no problem flaming people. end3r
only_samurai wrote: i agree with hack4u…if we do this people will just sit and flame and use that to up their ranks to hbhguru too. lol…..plus it is lame to waste serverspace and sql resources on flaming
Couldn't you (not you in particular xD) set it so that posts in the flaming forum don't count to your post count?
good luck and goodbye slimtim. i remember you from ages ago.. before i stopped posting. i used to be an active member.. but for the reasons outlined already im not anymore. i also agree with cheese. the flash is as good an admin as your going to get. so good luck to slimtim.. everyone else should try and improve in the ways he said.. its an ill will that blows nobody no good.
basicly just copied slimtim lol… but anyway @hacker_jacob, no one needed to hear you say that, you could've just kept to yourself, as you had already said goodbye, and its not like you were expressing a point or defending yourself.
Also:
Good, Worth reading posts:
hacker_jacob (1st post)Hmm, I specified which post, as well as put you on the 'Good' list. So what are you complaining about. As I said though, I'm sure I made some enemies with that, even though you **were **put on both lists. Does it really matter anyway? It was just to prove a point of who was constantly flaming and spamming the thread. end3r
end3r wrote: Just to show you all something:
Pointless Flaming Posts:
Ponguile xTc turbocharged_06 hacker_jacob (2nd post)
Good, Worth reading posts: SlimTim10 system_meltdown hack4u Grindordie ZeckOwner BluMoose -The_Flash- ziggythebear tancurrom Poisen-Flame h4xguy zachisyourdaddy hacker_jacob (1st post) malovent Placebo only_samurai insidious 32to28
[quote]This is probably one mention SlimTim10 didn't mention, so many useless posts, spam, morons, and derelicts. The post above me, I see it as spam, take your personal messages elsewhere. Also it is coming from a moderate, probably hasn't been here long and doesn't even know who he is, yet another stupid/pointless/spam post. I completely agree with you. I posted on a thread yesterday (Israeli Hackers) about all people post nowadays is spam and flaming and the persons question doesn't even get answered anymore. I then was flamed by turbocharged_06. So it shows they don't care what you say and won't even bother to read your posts. And about him being a moderate, and the challenges being pointless, the only way to get points on this site and to rank up is to post, and do challenges. So it was easy for him and people like xTc and Ponguile to rank up because the content of your post isn't what matters, its how many posts you get. So every time Ponguile or xTc (2 main flamers of this thread) post your spam, congrats guys, your ranking up. Maybe one day you'll reach HBH Guru and it won't mean anything to you. [/quote] congrats of making this post if it made you feel better… Hope it did cuz it seems that you got too many issues i didnt flame you in your isreali hacker thread all i did was point out a fact like it or not a person who conquers a country, kills innocent women and children is on the same level w/a person who terrorrizes one