When will the SK's stop?!
Alert on Script Kiddies! Sighting at http://www.all-nettools.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2232&page=1 If you all are wondering, it IS an old thread there, but its still active. I am SilverStream in that thread - the last post, read through it all and then read my response. Then lets all have a laugh at script kiddies!
Bl4ckC4t
haha…..thats great man. anytime i'm having a bad day, i think im just going to read that again. this sk thing is getting out of hand, really. I think we keep it pretty well in check here at hbh, i mean we still got em, but its not running rampant because we beat em back down pretty fast. but its threads like those that show just how many sks are out there. It's really more than just an annoyance too…they give us a bad rep with using tools or downloaded trojs for dumb reasons. i dont believe this thread was posted for an sk rant tho….sorry. Thanks for the laugh mate
Guys, seriously, what the fuck. The kid obviously, doesn't spend hours of his life on hacking sites, doesn't mean he's a retard….
Before you came across hacking communities, you didn't know the basic ettiquete followed here either, did you? Nobody's born with it. Calling beginners ignorant fucktards and skiddies will really make them interested in hacking now won't it? Thats like telling playin soccer against a little 3rd grader and telling him his an idiot cause he can't kick as hard as you :/
And no offence to anyone here, I know I've said it plenty around here, but HBH really isn't top of the class. People here do know a lot about how to use exploits, but the real hackers on the net prob laugh and shake their heads at us. Seriously, If I gave any of you an IP and told you to gain access to an entire companies network in a day, I know that nobody here would even come close to. Sure theres php exploits, sure you can use simple security holes, but as stated before, pretty much every HBHer may be a hacker-in-training or whatever you wanna call it, and nobody here has the right to go telling others they can't hack… Thats not meant as an insult, not even meant as a bad thing.
I know I'm prob gonna be called a traitor or w/e for this, but there is a reason why a lot of the more skilled hackers think of HBH as pretty skiddie. It's not the sites fault, its the members here that go strutting around thinking they are what they really arent :/ I'm not saying not to have self confidence or anything, nor that you're not skilled (i know that most people here are prob better hackers than me), so again, don't take it as an insult, but rather as constructive critisizm ;)
Kay for the people that bothered to read it, a final note. I was pretty suprised about your comment, from ur forum description I was expecting some immature comment telling them they suck. Read the real responce, was suprised :p Was a pretty good post actually ;)
-BluMoose
I agree with both Spyware and Blumoose, You both are on target. I agree with the "Real Hackers" statement because I do not say I am the best here, nor do I say I am the best anywhere. There are people better than all of us somewhere around the world, whether he/she is 10 or 70, there will be someone that will call anyone a noob.
As far as my post, I don't ALWAYS say script kiddies suck, That thread seemed like they could actually use some kind of insight to what those so called "backdoors" actually do. I don't trust any unless I KNOW what its real intentions are. It was a clean post, I tried to keep it that way. At least now they will know that netcat is better as far as safety :D
I am actually surprised that my post surprised you, Blumoose.
Bl4ckC4t
I agree with Blue moose We can't just flame SKs If they want to learn thats cool but most dont they just want to be destructive I was kinda of like that too then I found how great and intricate the web and internet etc. really is and now i dont care as much about getting a name for myself.. although it would be nice :D lol
By the way in response to Bluemoose's sig Pirate's beat the balls of of ninja's
Actaully Vampire werewolf robot pirate ninja's are my favorite
I don't even know how this whole pirates vs. ninjas crap got so popular. I mean, i'm sure we've all been to http://www.realultimatepower.net before, but this is rediculous. Everyone should already know that ninjas are way better than pirates.
Okay first off…who really gives a flying fuck about Ninjas or Pirates? Are you a Pirate? Do you drive a ship looting and pillaging others? No…Are you a Ninja? Are you trained in the art of Ninjitsu or any other highly trained are of self defence? Doubtful to the point of a tru ninja. SO STFU.
Anyways back to the lines on the actual topic. Well written flame though it is a little ill deserved. When people start out (as BluMoose has stated) they are not all knowing. I am certain that many people on this site are actual hackers by the real term. there are seldom left. but to contradict BluMoose I know a few guys around this site that could take over a network ;)
Anyways I think this SK thing is ill gotten. Yes they are like the Locust or any other plagues but they are just misdirected and looking for the wrong reasons. Listen to the interviews for a more indepth version of what a few of us think on these topics.
We are not meant to be 'Black' or 'White' or 'Grey'. We are meant to be there. that is it. Read over the Hackers Manifesto by The Mentor for more information on this one.
I am done ranting now…Sorry if ANYONE is offended by this statement and wants to do things to me bu I am myself and have my own thoughts. I am done.
I agree with both BluMoose and Aldar. There are people who point and laugh at people who act all "1337" on these kinds of sites, and even the sites themselves. But, that doesn't mean that there ARE people on here who could do some real stuff. A prime example would be an "will be unmentioned = dsfa" group, who sent messages to some members of hbh, laughing at them for being so dumb for learning from such a site, and that's not real hacking, etc. etc. You know what they did, they knew the right people to get into contact with, and lets just say "dsfa" got owned. Not to say there are more secretive people out there watching hbh for actual talent, and then recruiting them….i'm droning off with no point, but read my message again and you might see what i was trying to say :p
@Aldarhawk and BluMoose: Nice, very down to earth posts.
I was reading through the forum that was linked and yeah at first I was kind of pissed off as I read through those posts and yeah I had those thoughts "Down with the skiddies!! Arghhh!", but then come to think of it, I'm pretty sure a lot of people here including myself might have started off as skiddies. So I know where they are coming from. Some people will stay as skiddies no matter what you say and others will straighten up pretty quick and get on the ball.
The way I see it, skiddies are misguided/lost hackers. They need a push in the right direction to help them get on track and learn how to aquire the abilities to gain respect for themselves and for the whole community as a whole. If they don't get the message after a few tries then fuck it, what can you do? But anyways this whole thing about skiddies are the most-horrible-thing-to-happen-to-man thing is pretty pointless.
Bluemoose, I somewhat agree with your post. Lets look back at what happened with HTS. Skiddies came in and pissed off so many members to where they left HTS.
Skiddies cost thousands of dollars of damage to computers, and when you give them links to this downloadable shit all over the internet someone gets fucked up the ass in the end. Instead of giving them these links and letting them feel welcomed to the hacking community scare them off. I also agree that a minority of us have started out as SKs, not to be confused with bad intent. We did not enter the hacking community as noobs (hoo talk lyk dis, 4 example) but as newbies, not to be confused.
They ar)e NOT interested in learning the skill of hacking nor are they patient enough, but they would like to hack into a friends myspace and call themselves elite hackers. If you need an example look back to the retards on that hellhole of a board, or the "plz teach me how to hack" quote…
Fuck them where they breathe. If they want to learn they will learn the skills, they will just as we did. This topic has been discussed many times, its pretty easy to understand why SKs have a bad rep in the community…
Placebo wrote: I don't even know how this whole pirates vs. ninjas crap got so popular. I mean, i'm sure we've all been to http://www.realultimatepower.net before, but this is rediculous. Everyone should already know that ninjas are way better than pirates.
Wow, I've never been to that site before…it just seems so…ignorant? Lol…
BluMoose: I agree with you, but in the same respect, if nobody flamed the "skiddies" a.k.a. beginners in training, than there'd be WAY too many people begging for help everywhere. I try and think of it as just another test. If you are starting out and you get discouraged by a few people calling you a n00b and quit and say everyone's mean, well than to be honest I don't think they had it in them to begin with to prove themselves. Personally, I'd just want to get better faster so I can track those people down again and remind them of who they were laughing at not so long ago. Yes, just my little rant and I didn't have the ambition to read all the posts so I'll just leave the whole ninja thing alone.
Cheers, ~T
AldarHawk wrote: Are you trained in the art of Ninjitsu or any other highly trained are of self defence?
I am, actually.
but to contradict BluMoose I know a few guys around this site that could take over a network ;)
Take it over, maybe. But under the circumstances I stated?
'Skiddie' is has become a term used only for flaming, its actual meaning has been forgotten. People here call locust7 a group of skiddies. Did they enter "hellboundhackers.org" in a program and hit 'hack'? Or did they actually know what they where doing? Doubt theyd av found the exploit otherwise, would they?
(My hackergroup was ownt by locust7 during their killing spree, i am in no way trying to say I like em. jst stating the facts)
Peace out, -BluMoose.
i think that if you can accept black hats you should accept skiddies i mean bhats are considered cool
and they keep the exploits for themselves some of them even for profit skiddies usually use posted exploits
exploits for wich the developers received a warning and most of the times already released a patch.
they hunt for non patched sites and machines
not saying it's a good thing but the end picture is those machines get patched. if they didn't exist what pressure would there be to patch bugs?
sakarin wrote: i think that if you can accept black hats you should accept skiddies i mean bhats are considered cool
and they keep the exploits for themselves some of them even for profit skiddies usually use posted exploits
exploits for wich the developers received a warning and most of the times already released a patch.
they hunt for non patched sites and machines
not saying it's a good thing but the end picture is those machines get patched. if they didn't exist what pressure would there be to patch bugs?
Erm yehr thats what 'whitehats' claim to do aswell. Only thing is, most machines are vulnerable cause not everyone sits infront of their pc all day, and not everyone knows how to keep their system secure :/ Whitehats know this, they jst need an excuse to explain their hacking ;)
My point being, coloured hats are completely pointless :/
And racist XD
Whitehats are the profiteers from exploits and bugs, not blackhats. Have none of you heard of pr0j3kt m4yh3m? Look into it; el8.ru
Blackhats keep their exploits private for a reason. They dont want skiddiez exploiting random people with them. Whitehats try sell them to people like ZDI and iDefense, who then sell them to the software makers. They then release them before many people have a chance to patch. Try tell me that this is justified in any way whatsoever.
If skiddiez dont know about the exploits, they can never use them. The only times real pr0j3kt m4yh3m'ers release them is (a good while) after they've been patched, or when they're so old they're of no use anyway.
Theory: Blackhats are better than everyone, and whitehats are skiddies.
Proof:
Blackhats > *, given. Skiddies = Morons Whitehats = Morons
.: Blackhat > skiddie != Blackhat > Whitehat = morons = skiddies.
QED.
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