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The other day I was on the computer at school and I had the Command shell open and a teacher walked by, now I'm kicked off of the ALL computers at school until my senior year because they think I'm a "cyber terrorist,hacker" I tried to explain that I was just looking around and they don't believe me how do I suppose to explain to them that I'm a white hat .. they don't have any idea what a "hacker" so how do I explain that I'm not going to mess up there computers? (even though I'm a noob )?
Well you can look at it in many ways. For instance: good, makes you get the fuck away from the computers and stuff you don't really know yet and instead you can get a book and spend your time learning something useful instead.
Or, depending on what you've said til now you could try and actually come up with a legit reason to have it open. Skip that hat shit. If they've got java you can always say that you were just trying to find the compiler so you can test some code you were learning.
Schools are unreasonable don't really bother. I reported a massive security leak at our school(many of em actually) then they tried accusing me of grade changing. Stupid part was nothing I showed them was even close to grades…
Just goes to show just cause you are honest and tell somebody in command of what you did means shit, so the fact that you had a shell open automatically makes you a hacker in school. Still, if you are head bent in proving you were innocent, make them prove what you were doing wrong. Just having a shell means nothing for all they know you could have been pinging a website. All in all your fighting a worthless cause. Unless you wanna look for the default accounts :P
Some people don't want to admit there is anything wrong with their network/website/computer. They have been hypnotized by the media. If you say to them "Yea i was so close to changing my grades and reducing your salary, but she walked by and caught me." the will believe you. However if you fight it it will be a lost cause. If they where really security conscious they would disable it.
COM wrote: Well you can look at it in many ways. For instance: good, makes you get the fuck away from the computers and stuff you don't really know yet and instead you can get a book and spend your time learning something useful instead.
Or, depending on what you've said til now you could try and actually come up with a legit reason to have it open. Skip that hat shit. If they've got java you can always say that you were just trying to find the compiler so you can test some code you were learning.
Useful? so why are you on this website if u think its useles?… every thing about hacking Isn't elegal thats probubly what they think..
fallingmidget wrote: Some people don't want to admit there is anything wrong with their network/website/computer. They have been hypnotized by the media. If you say to them "Yea i was so close to changing my grades and reducing your salary, but she walked by and caught me." the will believe you. However if you fight it it will be a lost cause. If they where really security conscious they would disable it. They wont admit that they have week sicurity because they don't know how the sicurity works or relly how computers work .. they probubly don't know how to disable it and probubly thought I was doing damage to there computers or sumpthing elegal ehh…
super_guru wrote: Useful? so why are you on this website if u think its useles?… every thing about hacking Isn't elegal thats probubly what they think..
You got me, I'm a real hypocrite because I clearly meant that computers are useless. Spread the word people, these vile machines are corrupting you, they're degrading and do not contribute anything useful to society at all. I am merely using your weapons against you, do not hate me for that, hate yourselves for worshipping these false idols!
So yeah, nevermind reading a good book on a programming language, an OS, hardware, etc. which I initially meant. Find one about the English language, should help your future learning along a lot too. Hopefully you didn't do as you showed and blatantly ignored the second part of what I wrote though. Who knows, maybe it'd actually work.
I didn't totally ignore the second part, I just put infuses on the first but I thank you for the first even though they probability wouldn't care they still think I'm a "cyber terrorist" plus they don't have a java compiler and if i downloaded one, I probably would have got in trouble… but I've try saying that..I guess…
here's a small logic flow for the op. Cyber-terrorists do bad things. You did something bad in school. Schools should have smart people. If you did something bad in school, you're stupid. sorry if I don't see you as a martyr for a behavior/etiquette issue
I never really used the high schools computers for much. I brought a laptop almost every day B)
Hey, OP dont do any kind of these shit at school, because the teachers are a bunch of morons when its comes to computers. They dont know anything about computer but they can f*** you, if you mess with them.
My suggestion to you is just be polite and dont try to explain them that how innocent you are because they will not listen. Just accept your mistake and say that you will not do anything like that again.
freekstyle wrote: I wouldn't even bother proving my ''innocence''. School computers are a pain anyways. Just tell them that if you CAN open a command shell, why wouldn't you? If it really bothers them, then they should disable it. I mean, we can't even right click on our computers at school… well I live in the middle of no ware and most of the people here don't know anything about computers .. they had to have the network guy come down to disable my account I'm not to sure they know how to do that.. and isn't there a button on the keybored that's almost like a right click?
root_op wrote: Simple enough. Don't mess with computers at work/school/etc.. geeh.. If i had a job I wouldn't unless it was a computer job and at school the computer classes are to boring it takes me like 2 minutes to do the work then i have a whole hour left…. what then? just sit there staring at the screen all day? not messing with anything…
super_guru wrote: [quote]freekstyle wrote: I wouldn't even bother proving my ''innocence''. School computers are a pain anyways. Just tell them that if you CAN open a command shell, why wouldn't you? If it really bothers them, then they should disable it. I mean, we can't even right click on our computers at school… well I live in the middle of no ware and most of the people here don't know anything about computers .. they had to have the network guy come down to disable my account I'm not to sure they know how to do that.. and isn't there a button on the keybored that's almost like a right click?
root_op wrote: Simple enough. Don't mess with computers at work/school/etc.. geeh.. If i had a job I wouldn't unless it was a computer job and at school the computer classes are to boring it takes me like 2 minutes to do the work then i have a whole hour left…. what then? just sit there staring at the screen all day? not messing with anything…[/quote]
From what you say, it doesn't look like anything you do will change the fact that they want to disable your account, they sound very paranoid…That's why you don't do anything that looks sketchy.
The key doesn't work either. Our network/server guys are really strict. Every things is disabled on student accounts…control panel, run…you name it.
Same for me freekstyle, until I booted up Linux from a USB drive and cracked the Admin passwords :p
(Not that I'm recommending you do this..)
Yes, I was eventually caught - by the network administrator.
(The point being is that you'll eventually get caught in school)
@OP: Is this High School we're talking about? Well if it is, have your mom or dad call them and explain how you weren't trying anything malicious. Damn teachers think students can't explain themselves.
I got caught on a P: drive in school, it is a public drive, where pupils are allowed to store pictures for coursework and so on… I went on this Drive and basically made a HTML file with some writing explaining how to use a proxy server in school to get Bebo on the web. And the next day i check to see if it was still there, and someone had deleted all the coding, ( it was a pupil btw) and instead had written '' Jake's Mum is Gay! ''. And so i writ into the text file, who is this? and basically two days later there was half the year on one text document writing random stuff, basically using it as a shoutbox sort of thing. And when the teacher eventually found it, my ''codename'' was sandsphinx, and some noob had written " Alex is sandsphinx." And so all the blame was pushed onto me, they banned me also from using the PCs in school, i was banned off the PC at home, because apparently i am a hacker! I mean, this IT technician is supposed to be a whiz at computers and he doesn't know the difference between a document and hacking! And i had to sit there as they read out the Computer Misuse Act of 1993. I am wondering, when will teachers ever learn, that out generation is more technically advanced and that we are the masters, not them.
(Sorry I wrote everything in text that probably hurt your eyes. I'll try to stick with the defaults from now on.)
just so you know most schools actually make you sign a computer policy before using a computer or they have one in their handbook and they can do anything or say your doing anything. the fact is your said your a noob and you couldnt screw things up thats dead wrong. Most Noobs are the ones who screw stuff up cause they want to try something new or see what they can do not knowing what they are doing. So i think its a good thing your kicked off
hellboundhackersok wrote: Same for me freekstyle, until I booted up Linux from a USB drive and cracked the Admin passwords :p
(Not that I'm recommending you do this..)
Yes, I was eventually caught - my the network administrator.
(The point being is that you'll eventually get caught in school)
@OP: Is this High School we're talking about? Well if it is, have your mom or dad call them and explain how you weren't trying anything malicious. Damn teachers think students can't explain themselves.
Ahaha, it's been done before me. That is one of the reasons why the security at our school is really tight.
@blackmind - i understand what you are saying, but don't you think it's a bit harsh that someone can get caught for a file yes, he created, but did not actually write in. All the contents of that file were products of other pc users. And i don't see why i should have been the one who got punished. And the school did make me agree to a policy, and unfortunately they do not give us a copy so i can find loop holes in it, somewhere there has to be a hole somehwere for me to enter. but anyway
you guys go to some strict fucking schools.
When I was in high school, if I opened the command prompt, teachers would praise me. (It wasn't easily accessible to people who dont know what they're doing.) If I would have found a security flaw, then they would have also praised me and I would probably be able to put it on my resume.
And I will tell you one thing about the computers I used when I was in high school; So, you were given a student id during your freshman year. You would use the id as the username AND password to log into a student account. Once logged in, you could easily change the password. So if you got another student's id (which, any student would give you his/her id for no reason at all.) then you could log in and change the password to something they didn't know. And most students didnt know that they could change their password.
So, I feel very sorry for you guys. Even at my college though, you can get away with quite a bit.
@OP - Simple, don't do anything on school, corporate, or library computers that could be even remotely malicious unless you are willing to give up access. Fighting it is a lost cause, they are not going to allow any risk to there data. The fact that they do not understand the computer systems is more of a reason for them to over react. They would rather be safe then sorry.
My school has tight security but if you make friends with the right people you can try out just about anything you want. Given, you need to (or should) ask before you try something. I have reported 2 XSS holes in my schools website.
blackmind wrote: just so you know most schools actually make you sign a computer policy before using a computer or they have one in their handbook and they can do anything or say your doing anything. the fact is your said your a noob and you couldnt screw things up thats dead wrong. Most Noobs are the ones who screw stuff up cause they want to try something new or see what they can do not knowing what they are doing. So i think its a good thing your kicked offI didn't have to sign one because I'm the first one to do something that looked like "hacking" and there isn't anything in the hand book… they just looked at the screen called me to the principals office and kicked off no questions:( and when I did something that might have got me kicked off the computers it looked like i was just going through some text documents so they didn't know..
super_guru wrote: [quote]blackmind wrote: just so you know most schools actually make you sign a computer policy before using a computer or they have one in their handbook and they can do anything or say your doing anything. the fact is your said your a noob and you couldnt screw things up thats dead wrong. Most Noobs are the ones who screw stuff up cause they want to try something new or see what they can do not knowing what they are doing. So i think its a good thing your kicked offI didn't have to sign one because I'm the first one to do something that looked like "hacking" and there isn't anything in the hand book… they just looked at the screen called me to the principals office and kicked off no questions:( and when I did something that might have got me kicked off the computers it looked like i was just going through some text documents so they didn't know..[/quote] I have went through some thing like that but I had to sign a contract and when I "broke it" i found out there were some major loop holes all it said is i couldn't log in as someone else and not delete important documents so I made my account a admin and i changed some ppls passwords and moved the documents around so I got kicked off even though I technically didn't do anything wrong according to the contract so just get over it!! teachers are dumb … I wouldn't care unless I got kicked off of your computer at home if u have one…
besides school computer work is boring
lol… currently I'm on a program that's college level… taking tech class.
I made a shurtcut that looked like internet explorer (and firefox) with the shutdown command on it… the teacher though it was a virus… and he's the TECH teacher… with over 5 computer certifications…
I didn't get in trouble since he didn't know it was me until after he found out it was the shutdown command…
funny thing is that, 3 weeks later, and he still opens it up and shuts it down… (I placed the file on multiple computers… since we have admin rights on them :D)
HacKid wrote: lol… currently I'm on a program that's college level… taking tech class.
I made a shurtcut that looked like internet explorer (and firefox) with the shutdown command on it… the teacher though it was a virus… and he's the TECH teacher… with over 5 computer certifications…
I didn't get in trouble since he didn't know it was me until after he found out it was the shutdown command…
funny thing is that, 3 weeks later, and he still opens it up and shuts it down… (I placed the file on multiple computers… since we have admin rights on them :D)
Well, when people abuse the school system like you have then i understand the reason behind the strict rules in some schools. I think that when you and others abuse the system like that, it gives them more reason to not let us have any admin rights at all.
HacKid wrote: lol… currently I'm on a program that's college level… taking tech class.
I made a shurtcut that looked like internet explorer (and firefox) with the shutdown command on it… the teacher though it was a virus… and he's the TECH teacher… with over 5 computer certifications…
I didn't get in trouble since he didn't know it was me until after he found out it was the shutdown command…
funny thing is that, 3 weeks later, and he still opens it up and shuts it down… (I placed the file on multiple computers… since we have admin rights on them :D)
Very mature. You must be proud of yourself.
Uber0n wrote: [quote]HacKid wrote: lol… currently I'm on a program that's college level… taking tech class.
I made a shurtcut that looked like internet explorer (and firefox) with the shutdown command on it… the teacher though it was a virus… and he's the TECH teacher… with over 5 computer certifications…
I didn't get in trouble since he didn't know it was me until after he found out it was the shutdown command…
funny thing is that, 3 weeks later, and he still opens it up and shuts it down… (I placed the file on multiple computers… since we have admin rights on them :D)
Very mature. You must be proud of yourself.[/quote]
… the point of it was… "how come a tech teacher not fugure out it was the shutdown comand until the 2nd day after?" I mean… a TECH teacher with 5+ certs..
I too have faced similar troubles with computers at school. I was in my school's library with a friend of mine, and for some reason he insisted we sit a the computers farthest from the librarians. So I go along with him and decide to play "Frets On Fire", as everyone else in the library is playing games, so I should be able to also, except the game would not load due to my lack of administrative privileges. So I decide to boot BT3 and play the Linux version, except halfway through the booting process, the librarians quickly walk over to my friend and I and accuse us of hacking the system.
She claimed to have been watching us for sometime and said we were "downloading viruses onto the computers". Now, totally confused, I tried to explain to her my FoF dilemma, but she wouldn't hear it. Still, confused, I turn to look at my buddy's desktop only to see a LARGE list of usernames in passwords being attacked via wordlist in cain, full screen. The Story ends with me walking out of the library, pissed, now restricted to limited library access.
@OP: Ever since that little bust, I learned quickly that the best thing to do is lay low. I now only use the computers to read about hacking, making sure Its not anything to suspicious such as Milw0rm.
:happy:
HacKid wrote: … the point of it was… "how come a tech teacher not fugure out it was the shutdown comand until the 2nd day after?" I mean… a TECH teacher with 5+ certs.. I agree it's a bit strange he/she didn't understand what it was, but those certs most probably were in other subjects than 'understanding hidden shutdown commands and other lame pranks' :happy:
This thread is….awes ….no wait….Retarded
Let me summarize 50% of the posts in it: "meh I 'hack'd school comps, piece of a cake btw, but they caught me and now I'm in trouble. Still I think I totally showed them, because, well you know I'm pretty 1337, and I don't think it was just fucking stupid and I wasn't acting like total retard by replacing FF icon with shutdown cmd etc. (just an example)!"
Second half on the other hand is mostly: "Don't mess with school computers, not only you put in risk your present and future education because of, well let's face it attempts to 'hack' something and look cool in classes, but also because it will eventually get into trouble anyway."
I don't understand why this thread hasn't been locked ages ago… Oh and nice post Uber0n above(can't be arsed quoting)
Sigh, like 90% of forums at HBH the first few replies are worth reading and the rest are people being retarded.
Rather then pulling the "but ima white hat" BS or saying something that proves you know a bit more than the average computer user, play stupid.
"i dunno what that black box was! i was trying to play in paint!"
"whats command prompt?"
"i use internet explorer"
"leenux?"
If the person who caught you with a shell open and automatically assumed you were a cyber terrorist. There is a very good chance this person is a moron.
Was this answer relavent to what you asked? no Will this help you in a future situation? yes Are you going to be retarded and get caught again? probrably The next step? Try hacking your schools network, admin accounts, whatever you care about, without even touching a computer.
Social Engineering - The Love of Ignorance
super_guru wrote: The other day I was on the computer at school and I had the Command shell open and a teacher walked by, now I'm kicked off of the ALL computers at school until my senior year because they think I'm a "cyber terrorist,hacker" I tried to explain that I was just looking around and they don't believe me how do I suppose to explain to them that I'm a white hat .. they don't have any idea what a "hacker" so how do I explain that I'm not going to mess up there computers? (even though I'm a noob )?
You can lable yourself how you like, but if you didn't do anything then you're just telling them more than they need to know. Maybe they know it's just a lable and you broke their rules? Get a laptop.