I had to be the first to ask...
It assured me that America was not a -total- failure. Still, loads of work needs to be done in order to restore America. Probably more than Obama, and any other politician realizes at this time.
Anyway, it's a step in the better direction. Still; nuclear power plants? No national gay marriage? Religion STILL plays a major factor in politics? And skin color?
Oooh boy. Silly Americans.
spyware wrote: Anyway, it's a step in the better direction. Still; nuclear power plants? No national gay marriage? Religion STILL plays a major factor in politics? And skin color?
Oooh boy. Silly Americans. I agree at all points except for the nuclear power plants; I mean what (good) alternatives do we have? Millions of wind power stations?
I know that getting rid of nuclear waste is a really tough problem, but at least it's a very safe power source which doesn't harm the environment in the same way as for example coal power :p
Well, I'm happy. That's who I voted for. Hopefully there'll be some change now. We'll see.
spyware wrote: Anyway, it's a step in the better direction. Still; nuclear power plants? No national gay marriage? Religion STILL plays a major factor in politics? And skin color? Of course these things aren't really much different in most other countries either. In how many countries does religion not play a factor in politics?
Obama is president.
How does this make you feel? This is good, very good, and I'm glad to know they for once in a while put the better man in office.
I agree at all points except for the nuclear power plants; I mean what (good) alternatives do we have? Millions of wind power stations?
I know that getting rid of nuclear waste is a really tough problem, but at least it's a very safe power source which doesn't harm the environment in the same way as for example coal power There was an article once about research in using animal fat as a source of energy, mostly was ment to be a joke. But, with all the obiese people in america we can at least temporarily solve our energy problem for a little time till we get a better source. But, of course, if we'd spent at least a little more time in solar sources we might actually get more than 12% efficiency out of those panels.
No national gay marriage? Religion STILL plays a major factor in politics? And skin color? If anything, something is going to be done and put into action, at least that.
ynori7 wrote: Of course these things aren't really much different in most other countries either. In how many countries does religion not play a factor in politics?
You're thinking in absolutes, I'm thinking in gradients. In Holland, religion is a MUCH smaller factor in our elections. For example; we elect non-christians.
I just hope the Iraqi people dont get slaughtered after we leave. Were not talking normal withdrawal where they leave a US base. We are just full on leaving. The shitty ass government we tried to impose on them (which I disagree with doing btw), will be torn down, or blasted down…
New dictator here we come. lol.
I'm not happy that the US government can so easily gain more power and control. I'm not happy about the idea of the medical plan.
I am all in favor of new technology for energy. But where are we going to get the money for it? The economy isnt just failing because of war and "high gas prices".
It's failing because of the inflation of the US dollar. Look up quotes of the value of the dollar in the last couple of years and you will see that prices didnt go up, the US dollar's value went down.
Oil didnt get more expensive. It stayed about the same. What is happening to our dollar is the same thing as the Mexican peso. Soon everyone is going to come to america and buy $20 worth of crap for $1 of theirs.
I think I might just move to canada where I get half decent stuff, where war isnt our primary goal, and they dont police the world.
And I totally agree that religion should be seperate from politics. I dont want the pope running our country >.<
it would cause a higher unemployement rate cause democrats raise taxes to help give to the poor, but with more unemployment come more homeless which means even more taxes. obama was also in a church for 20 years that was racist so why should i even like him. he's gonna cause the national security to go down by down-grading the armies, so he is definetly going to cause the us to go into poverty
bec9112001 wrote: it would cause a higher unemployement rate cause democrats raise taxes to help give to the poor, but with more unemployment come more homeless which means even more taxes. obama was also in a church for 20 years that was racist so why should i even like him. he's gonna cause the national security to go down by down-grading the armies, so he is definetly going to cause the us to go into poverty Your naivety is astounding. Dems raise taxes to give to the lower middle-class, which are the ones that struggle with unemployment. The tax increase would be most noticeable for higher incomes (>$250k), and less as you go down… that's how the percentages work.
Bringing up your "racial concerns" just makes you look like an ignorant twat; judge the man based upon his stance and ideals, not what you think of his church. I went to an all-black high school… does that make me racist, too? (I'm white, btw.)
Down-grading the armies would result in less pointless excursions abroad. It's not our job to police the world. What will be left will be more than enough for national security.
The economic issues right now are the only thing that would "drive the US into poverty". If you're going to have a stance on politics, base it upon fact and research, not upon redneck fears.
i like that he is the new president for some of the shit he will change but the whole changing the second ammendment so we cant own guns is fuckin stupid im not saying this because im some redneck i dont have the right to bear arms anyways but that could screw us over idk wat do you guys think about that???
I'm American, I voted and the better choice won.
I voted for a man based on his views and opinions. I voted for a man who is the first clear sign that hope still exists for the United States of America. I voted for a man whose ideals fit more so with what I as an American felt is what America needs right now.
I didn't vote for a man based on race. I didn't vote for a man based on mainstream media ads and pundit scare tactics. I didn't vote based on gender. I didn't vote for mistakes or soundbites.
I voted and the better choice, my choice won.
I am very happy with the turn out for USA President elect Barack Obama. Hopefully America can right some of the terrible wrongs that have engulfed our land and image.
spyware wrote: You're thinking in absolutes, I'm thinking in gradients. In Holland, religion is a MUCH smaller factor in our elections. For example; we elect non-christians. I see your point, but then again the majority of our candidates are Christian, so there's not a whole lot of choice there. And since the majority of the population is Christian, it stands to reason that a Christian would be an appropriate representative. Not that I care, I'm not Christian.
Deamonspawn wrote: i like that he is the new president for some of the shit he will change but the whole changing the second ammendment so we cant own guns is fuckin stupid im not saying this because im some redneck i dont have the right to bear arms anyways but that could screw us over idk wat do you guys think about that???
I think letting regular civilians arm themselves with lethal weapons of any kind is a stupid idea. Like giving anthrax to a child; something WILL happen, people WILL die.
moshbat wrote: Erm… Have you SEEN your country's gun crime rate? Possibly, if guns were illegal, maybe, just maybe people wouldn't carry them around. Maybe they wouldn't shoot people based on very low threat levels. If one man was approached by a man with a gun, looking to mug (rob, steal from) him. The man with the gun feels no threat, and feels he has the power and the control. He feels no inclination to shoot at this point, he just wants some cash. If the (regular citizen) "victim" were to draw a gun, what do you think will happen? Finally! The voice of the blatantly obvious. I was hoping we wouldn't have to bring it down to a third-grade level for the arguments but, hey… the ignorant voters never fail to disappoint.
moshbat wrote: Erm… Have you SEEN your country's gun crime rate? Possibly, if guns were illegal, maybe, just maybe people wouldn't carry them around. Maybe they wouldn't shoot people based on very low threat levels. If one man was approached by a man with a gun, looking to mug (rob, steal from) him. The man with the gun feels no threat, and feels he has the power and the control. He feels no inclination to shoot at this point, he just wants some cash. If the (regular citizen) "victim" were to draw a gun, what do you think will happen?
So true, legal guns are stupid, i can honestly say if carrying guns was legal in Britain, i would have one. Not because i would feel cool, or threaten people, but because i would fear the streets and feel that i needed it.
Fuck knows if guns were legal, every group of chavs would have one, their already enough bloody trouble, id end up in a bloody no win shoot out >.<
spyware wrote: [quote]K3174N 420 wrote: So true, legal guns are stupid, i can honestly say if carrying guns was legal in Britain, i would have one.
Wow. Your statement makes me speechless. I am without speech.[/quote]
Thankyou for the part quote.
I said i would HAVE to have one, because every fucker else in my area would.
Fucking to right that their illegal fullstop, america needs to fix that.
if i fight with chavs, i go home
if i get shot, im not.
All im saying if if i had to get a gun pointed at me, id want one to point back.
spyware wrote: If everyone reasoned like you, everyone would carry guns. Your logic is flawed deeply.
Maybe,
But the fact is the world is fucked and people are fucked.
It is a fact, that if guns were legal in Britain, i would have one pointed at me within a month.
And if they were legal, if i could go town and buy one knowing its a matter of time before i get a gun pointed at me, i would simply do it, carry it, and never show it unless such circumstances arose.
Tho my reasoning on guns is we would be better of without them at all.
Them being illegal means i have never seen nor had a real gun pointed at me, and i don't expect it to happen any time soon, this is as best as it can be, if EVERYONE thought like me, we wouldn't have guns. But everyone doesn't think like me, guns would cover my streets like the scum that walk there now. It would be inevitable.
I don't own a gun. But I do plan on it.
The logic isn't to have a gun because everyone else has a gun, the logic is if someone tries to break into my home either he does it when I am not there and gets the goods or he catches a 12 gauge shell to the chest. I'm more for the protection aspect because honestly anyone with the intention of robbing a house normally has a gun and the best way to stop that scenario is to just shoot him first.
A robbery on the street however is a little bit different. While the home situation might end in a shoot out as well, home things are a lot harder to replace than a wallet and some cash. I have been robbed at gunpoint, and I have no regrets other than the police man wasn't shot for not catching the people that constantly perform these acts.
I believe we should have a right to bear arms, but carrying a gun around all over is too much. Keep it at home, for the protection of your family.
Sangeki Rein wrote: I don't own a gun. But I do plan on it.
The logic isn't to have a gun because everyone else has a gun, the logic is if someone tries to break into my home either he does it when I am not there and gets the goods or he catches a 12 gauge shell to the chest. I'm more for the protection aspect because honestly anyone with the intention of robbing a house normally has a gun and the best way to stop that scenario is to just shoot him first.
A robbery on the street however is a little bit different. While the home situation might end in a shoot out as well, home things are a lot harder to replace than a wallet and some cash. I have been robbed at gunpoint, and I have no regrets other than the police man wasn't shot for not catching the people that constantly perform these acts.
I believe we should have a right to bear arms, but carrying a gun around all over is too much. Keep it at home, for the protection of your family.
You would shoot an unarmed man in the chest with a shotgun?
Why not tell him if he doesn't lie down and wait for the police he is gonna be missing a leg?
Thats how i would react.
Now if he was armed, whole new story…
Uber0n wrote: [quote]p99 wrote: I just hope the Iraqi people dont get slaughtered after we leave. It's not like US soldiers haven't killed anyone down there, you know :right:[/quote]
:( yeah I just remembered what my cousin told me about when he was over there. Horror stories. I hate hate humans, the way we are, :-[
Based off of the international response I've been seeing about obama, I cannot think it is a bad thing. Truth of the matter is, if they made guns illegal, most gun freaks wouldn't wouldn't give theirs up. I used to find guns "cool", and I still enjoy to go out shooting once in a while. I disagree a gun should be used as defense in a shoot-first ask later scenario.
What if you had some drugie relative looking for cash in the dead of night? You never know who you just shot. And the presence of a gun does raise the threat level. I've know some people that either trap or kill their food. Even though thats less and less common these days. But someone living in nowhere, usa… what happense if big brother just happens to be in the neighborhood? I dont like politics one bit, mostly because they tell you the good side of their ideals.
Dont know if you guys know this, but a small business is classified at way more than 250k a year. It cant be classified as a "successful" business, even if it is growing. But you grow enough to hit 251k then you get hit with a tax that stunts growth. It's like getting a new bill. I think it should be focused more to effect actual big business instead of the little guys too. But it should be more dependant on the company type to. Like I see a problem with Sallie-Mai climbing to the biggest bill collector in the USA, yet their goal is to "help" people, and their ceo's took over 2.4m home for salary. But if you work from the ground up inventing and selling….. silly putty, I believe you should have every right to keep every last penny of your success.
My ideas are flawed I'm sure. I just think the limit of "small business" should definatly be raised. I see 250k as a bit too early to impose taxes on a company. Of course, it depends on the size of the company.
I've always thought the "everybody same tax" idea to be good. It doesnt make sense to tax those who are more successful more. 20% of 50k a year is a lot of your income, just as 20% of 500k a year. You learn to adjust your cost of living to fit how much you earn. Some people think everyone should live in the same cookie cutter homes regardless of their salery. Not that extreme, but its liek some kind of jealousy by my book.
Even so, I think obama will do some good things for the country. Though new energy cars, means paying for research, new companies, new jobs, and for us, new cars. Which of course wont cost the same as your standard 6k junker. It's gonna be fun America.
p99 wrote: I've always thought the "everybody same tax" idea to be good. It doesnt make sense to tax those who are more successful more. 20% of 50k a year is a lot of your income, just as 20% of 500k a year. You learn to adjust your cost of living to fit how much you earn. I don't think it's fair that those people who earn billions and those who barely have any money at all should have the same tax rate… Those who have more money should help those who have less money, anything else is insane imo ^^
I know but you there are so many handouts here in America. We've got people who work at jobs just long enough to get unemployment so they don't have to work. And other people who live off SS who dont need it, and welfare too. I'm all for those programs… but audits really need to be stepped up and have it given to people who need it, not just people who choose not to do anything at all. I know people who use it, that need it, and other people that use it, and dont need it. I know a druggie who lives off SS for a "mental condition" that is non-existant. Guess where he gets his drug money? It's just like the government gives help and are being social engineered into helping. They cut a slice, and people take the whole pie. Like my uncle who gets all kind of stuff for a condition that dissapeared over 5 years ago. The whole time hes gotten money from medical places and a monthly SS check. It was supposed to be for his uber expensive meds (talking over $100 a day), instead, it all goes into a savings account for his retirement. Stuff like that… disgusting.
If you work your but off to be successful, you should be able to enjoy it, not be penalized for it. Now… family inherated success is something all in itself. I dont think life should be a free joy ride. If you just live off your parents success all your life.. well I dont see that as cool at all.
I know if I was every rich enough to support someone for life uber comfortably other than myself, I would definetly want them to have to work to earn that money.
If I ever have kids or a wife i'll probably throw most of the money to places that are going to use it better than just… themselves.
Like I think rich people should give more away because they can. But I cant agree with the government being allowed to take all that money. Especially with the wages politicians earn gosh.
moshbat wrote: Spy, you honestly don't know how bad certain areas of this country are.
The cure lies within repent and mutual respect. You can't fight ideas with bullets. You -can- fight bullets with ideas.
The mere thought of "agressing" disrespect and harsh violence out of the minds of individuals is ludicrous, unthinkable and most certainly unrealistic.
Texas Instruments wrote: Obama is president.
How does this make you feel?
GO!!!
I am a bit mixed. I want to see a huge day in history, but at what expense? I personally do not believe in abortion and I won't say any other liberal ideas in fear of offending someone.
Uber0n wrote: …nuclear power plants; I mean what (good) alternatives do we have? Millions of wind power stations?
I know that getting rid of nuclear waste is a really tough problem, but at least it's a very safe power source which doesn't harm the environment in the same way as for example coal power :p
A man named Nikola Tesla created a machine in the 1800's that generated free energy. What happened, well J.P.Morgan the energy giant made it disappear or else his butt loads of money would…
And check this out, most of you probably heard of this guy already, but he was looking for Tesla's blueprints in the pentagon d-bases. Gary Mckinnon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQhF6lApr8E&feature=related
p99 wrote: New dictator here we come. lol.
Warning: Conspiracy ahead!!
Most empires have fallen because of the obviousness of a dictator. Then the Illuminati bloodlines created the idea that the ultimate form of authoritarianism is where the dictator cannot be seen pulling the puppet's strings. The citizens feel free because of democracy, but really they sit in a cell and cannot see the cell bars.
Zephyr_Pure wrote:
Your naivety is astounding. Dems raise taxes to give to the lower middle-class, which are the ones that struggle with unemployment. The tax increase would be most noticeable for higher incomes (>$250k), and less as you go down… that's how the percentages work.
> $250k doesn't work. The only numbers that actually work as far as 95% of Americans being included, would have to include Americans with about $150,000 income. The Obama campaign either lied, or slyly changed their minds at an ideal time; right before election day…
reference:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79319
Deamonspawn wrote: …so we cant own guns is fuckin stupid im not saying this because im some redneck i dont have the right to bear arms anyways but that could screw us over idk wat do you guys think about that???
I think your justified in your thoughts. Taking away our right to bear arms is taking away our last defense against the government. Not in a psycho kind of way, but what if the world was different and there was an actual need to have a military revolution. I don't believe in that kind of resistance but some do. It's a freedom.
K3174N 420 wrote: It is a fact, that if guns were legal in Britain, i would have one pointed at me within a month.
What the hell are you planning on doing??
Uber0n wrote: [quote]Sangeki Rein wrote: if someone tries to break into my home either he does it when I am not there and gets the goods or he catches a 12 gauge shell to the chest. American way of thinking, hell yeah ^^
…sigh[/quote] In my own shear paranoia, I'd rather booby-trap my home, or plant a cell phone in my computer tower. The latter being the better choice, I would know where they live then! :)
Zephyr_Pure wrote: Your naivety is astounding. Dems raise taxes to give to the lower middle-class, which are the ones that struggle with unemployment. The tax increase would be most noticeable for higher incomes (>$250k), and less as you go down… that's how the percentages work.
whitecell wrote: > $250k doesn't work. The only numbers that actually work as far as 95% of Americans being included, would have to include Americans with about $150,000 income. The Obama campaign either lied, or slyly changed their minds at an ideal time; right before election day…
reference:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79319
Your reference disproved your point; read it again. The $150k number came from Biden and, as has been previously stated, they have differing opinions on a few topics… which is why they make good running mates. The "lies" you're referring to are referenced with accurate appraisals on that page as well. Fun reading, though.
Zephyr_Pure wrote: Your reference disproved your point; read it again. The $150k number came from Biden and, as has been previously stated, they have differing opinions on a few topics… which is why they make good running mates. The "lies" you're referring to are referenced with accurate appraisals on that page as well. Fun reading, though.
Okay I cannot make my logic work, and I cannot remember how I thought I got it to work. Guess all I got to fall back on is them changing their minds. Can always rely on the Zeph.
@uber0n the gun clash theory has a couple of flaws in it. people will kill just because they feel the superiority. i live in NJ and there are Murders everyday from gang violence. people are shot just sitting on there porch for gang initiations. you can be walking down the street and get shot because you wearing something red (bloods), blue (crips), yellow (Latin kings, MS-13), or a white tee (gangster). knives are the least of our worries.
here are some links you should see just to get you thinking.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292200,00.html this is a bad one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden,_New_Jersey#High_crime_rate
URL tags didnt work on some of them.
but as you can see we need to work on who has the guns not the guns themselves.
"My husband tutors a highschool girl that goes to an all girls high school in JC, and apparently they were let out early today because the bloods and/or crips are to kill 35 girls for gang initiation tonight."
"TRENTON, N.J. – Police in the city have made two arrests in the November 2002 beating death of 79-year-old resident Ralph Dequinzio."
Holy shit that stuff never happens where I am at… I think the worst thing that happened was a mugging of a jogger like a couple yrs ago. Damn.
spyware wrote: [quote]moshbat wrote: Spy, you honestly don't know how bad certain areas of this country are.
The cure lies within repent and mutual respect. You can't fight ideas with bullets. You -can- fight bullets with ideas.
The mere thought of "agressing" disrespect and harsh violence out of the minds of individuals is ludicrous, unthinkable and most certainly unrealistic.[/quote]
Uhm… ya…. sheltered life?
Try using your ideas to fight the bullets the chavs shoot at your ass, see how far that gets you…
K3174N 420 wrote: Uhm… ya…. sheltered life?
Try using your ideas to fight the bullets the chavs shoot at your ass, see how far that gets you…
What do you want to do; wage wars against those who wage wars against you? You're entering a virtuous circle which you can't shoot, stab or punch your way out of. Agressive retaliation is a (bad) short-term solution.
Go stab your way out of poverty, age gaps and cultural differences. THOSE are the real problems. The violence is merely one red flag in a sea, no, ocean full of problems. Senseless violence is a RESULT, a final consequence of a sequence of actions.
If you want to change the outcome, change the formula. Inform people, talk to kids, that sort of stuff.
spyware wrote: [quote]K3174N 420 wrote: Uhm… ya…. sheltered life?
Try using your ideas to fight the bullets the chavs shoot at your ass, see how far that gets you…
What do you want to do; wage wars against those who wage wars against you? You're entering a virtuous circle which you can't shoot, stab or punch your way out. Agressive retaliation is a (bad) short-term solution.
Go stab your way out of poverty, age gaps and cultural differences. THOSE are the real problems. The violence is merely one red flag in a sea, no, ocean full of problems. Senseless violence is a RESULT, a final consequence of a sequence of actions.
If you want to change the outcome, change the formula. Inform people, talk to kids, that sort of stuff.[/quote]
I fully agree with the concept, but i know it will fail in practice.
There are people in my area that would break kinto an old ladys house, rob her, and beat her half to death for the sheer fucked up fun of it. You cant reason with these people, it may be sad, it may be wrong, but if one of these people pointed a gun at me, the only way out is to blow their head of before they do so to you. Trying to reason, would result in your death, simple. You cant reason with these people. And i swear, if they put me on a spot wjere it was me or him, i would end his life without a second thought or care. The world would be better without guns, but a small fact is GUNS DO NOT KILL, PEOPLE KILL. aslong as there are people who will kill you for a small amount of money, you are not safe, as it is at the minute, ver very few of these people have guns… if they did they would probibly sell em for some crack.. but if guns were legal, and they got their filty paws on one, all hell would break loose mate, and no amount of reasoning would stop that, you cat reason with a fucking crack head.
spyware wrote: You won't find any solutions if you give in to the same primal instincts as your "enemies". Your arguments lack reason and truth.
I don't think you fully understand the concepts involved in these delicate discussions.
Id love you to live for a week in my town, i wonder if that would be enough to change your views…
Walking down the road minding your own buisness, next second a group of 6 chavs grabs you and rags you into an alley… you wouldnt last 5 minutes.
If walking down to the shop and seeing someone have the shit kicked out of them isn't in your every day life, please stop trying to agrue against my views.
spyware wrote: You won't find any solutions if you give in to the same primal instincts as your "enemies". Your arguments lack reason and truth.
I don't think you fully understand the concepts involved in these delicate discussions.
i think that unless you have experianced it yourself you have no idea what its like. if i was robbing you with a gun and you had no way of defending yourself because you dont have a gun what are you going to do. in 10 seconds i am going to blow a hole in your head for the sheer fun of it. just to get me off at night and wehat are you going to do. nothing thats what. you are going to stand there with this stupid look on your face wondering where you went wrong. sure the violence doesnt make sense but thats why there are rehabilitation centers (jails) to try and correct it. but think there are also people who use guns and rob people because they need to. the are so many variables on this subject there cant possably be a simple solution as remove the guns. try to use empathy when looking into these situations.
fallingmidget wrote: [quote]spyware wrote: You won't find any solutions if you give in to the same primal instincts as your "enemies". Your arguments lack reason and truth.
I don't think you fully understand the concepts involved in these delicate discussions.
i think that unless you have experianced it yourself you have no idea what its like. if i was robbing you with a gun and you had no way of defending yourself because you dont have a gun what are you going to do. in 10 seconds i am going to blow a hole in your head for the sheer fun of it. just to get me off at night and wehat are you going to do. nothing thats what. you are going to stand there with this stupid look on your face wondering where you went wrong. sure the violence doesnt make sense but thats why there are rehabilitation centers (jails) to try and correct it. but think there are also people who use guns and rob people because they need to. the are so many variables on this subject there cant possably be a simple solution as remove the guns. try to use empathy when looking into these situations.[/quote]
I completely agree with Her, people THINK they can fight or THINK they would know what to do in those type of situations. If you have never been properly trained you will never know what to do. There are Self defense/martial Arts Classes everywhere, so you have no excuse.
And on the guns are legal so this means more violence. this is all i have to say.
"omeffingee tis keeboard makesh m3 mishtype EVRYTING!@ i tink i sould g3t a neew one 0r geet rid of itt compleetlly!!"
cis_slayer wrote: [quote]fallingmidget wrote: [quote]spyware wrote: You won't find any solutions if you give in to the same primal instincts as your "enemies". Your arguments lack reason and truth.
I don't think you fully understand the concepts involved in these delicate discussions.
i think that unless you have experianced it yourself you have no idea what its like. if i was robbing you with a gun and you had no way of defending yourself because you dont have a gun what are you going to do. in 10 seconds i am going to blow a hole in your head for the sheer fun of it. just to get me off at night and wehat are you going to do. nothing thats what. you are going to stand there with this stupid look on your face wondering where you went wrong. sure the violence doesnt make sense but thats why there are rehabilitation centers (jails) to try and correct it. but think there are also people who use guns and rob people because they need to. the are so many variables on this subject there cant possably be a simple solution as remove the guns. try to use empathy when looking into these situations.[/quote]
I completely agree with Her, people THINK they can fight or THINK they would know what to do in those type of situations. If you have never been properly trained you will never know what to do. There are Self defense/martial Arts Classes everywhere, so you have no excuse.
And on the guns are legal so this means more violence. this is all i have to say.
"omeffingee tis keeboard makesh m3 mishtype EVRYTING!@ i tink i sould g3t a neew one 0r geet rid of itt compleetlly!!"
[/quote] i agree with you too this is all true. but why is there so much crime, when i am in town (and this is very small town i live in) i am afraid of every male person and thinking what i am going to do to him if he attack me. because we are fighting every week. lol this is stupid i think. everybody gets drunk then they attack lol. i have to fight almost every week lol and the question is WHY THEY ATTACK ME AND MY FRIENDS. can you please answer that.
bullet wrote: [quote]cis_slayer wrote: [quote]fallingmidget wrote: [quote]spyware wrote: You won't find any solutions if you give in to the same primal instincts as your "enemies". Your arguments lack reason and truth.
I don't think you fully understand the concepts involved in these delicate discussions.
i think that unless you have experianced it yourself you have no idea what its like. if i was robbing you with a gun and you had no way of defending yourself because you dont have a gun what are you going to do. in 10 seconds i am going to blow a hole in your head for the sheer fun of it. just to get me off at night and wehat are you going to do. nothing thats what. you are going to stand there with this stupid look on your face wondering where you went wrong. sure the violence doesnt make sense but thats why there are rehabilitation centers (jails) to try and correct it. but think there are also people who use guns and rob people because they need to. the are so many variables on this subject there cant possably be a simple solution as remove the guns. try to use empathy when looking into these situations.[/quote]
I completely agree with Her, people THINK they can fight or THINK they would know what to do in those type of situations. If you have never been properly trained you will never know what to do. There are Self defense/martial Arts Classes everywhere, so you have no excuse.
And on the guns are legal so this means more violence. this is all i have to say.
"omeffingee tis keeboard makesh m3 mishtype EVRYTING!@ i tink i sould g3t a neew one 0r geet rid of itt compleetlly!!"
[/quote] i agree with you too this is all true. but why is there so much crime, when i am in town (and this is very small town i live in) i am afraid of every male person and thinking what i am going to do to him if he attack me. because we are fighting every week. lol this is stupid i think. everybody gets drunk then they attack lol. i have to fight almost every week lol and the question is WHY THEY ATTACK ME AND MY FRIENDS. can you please answer that. [/quote]
Some people are like that, they go down town to get drunk and fight.
They don't care who they fight, they just wanna fight.
So now you got 2 choices…
- stand and take it… probably receiving more next time.
- stand and fight back, less likely they will pick on you next time, (unless there are more of them… run…)
fallingmidget wrote: i think that unless you have experianced it yourself you have no idea what its like. if i was robbing you with a gun and you had no way of defending yourself because you dont have a gun what are you going to do.
I would do nothing, because you have a gun and I don't. You're edgy, I'm not. If I say something wrong, give you a wrong look or stand in your way, I'm going to get blown to pieces.
This, however, won't change one bit if I were to carry a gun. Not one tiny little bit.
Getting back to the topic of the original post
Texas Instruments wrote : Obama is president.
How does this make you feel?
GO!!!
So they ran on a promise of "change" , but you have to wonder what they really envision by the term "change" . Here's an interesting question concerning change from the new Vice President elect himself : > "Can a microscopic tag be implanted in a person's body to track his every movement? There's actual discussion about that. You will rule on that – mark my words – before your tenure is over. - Sen. Joseph Biden, to Judge John Roberts at his confirmation hearings, Sept. 12 2005.
rex_mundi wrote: Getting back to the topic of the original post
[quote]Texas Instruments wrote : Obama is president.
How does this make you feel?
GO!!!
So they ran on a promise of "change" , but you have to wonder what they really envision by the term "change" . Here's an interesting question concerning change from the new Vice President elect himself : > "Can a microscopic tag be implanted in a person's body to track his every movement? There's actual discussion about that. You will rule on that – mark my words – before your tenure is over. - Sen. Joseph Biden, to Judge John Roberts at his confirmation hearings, Sept. 12 2005.
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RFID….to ever be tracked…..That would piss me off, to no end.
Its already the "norm" :
if you wear Calvin Klein :
http://www.spychips.com/press-releases/checkpoint-photos.html
or use Gillette razors :
http://www.boycottgillette.com/spychips.html
Now even though those are meant to be internal store tracking devices and nothing more , thats still pretty harmless and far from the human chipping issue that Biden mentions you might think , well not here in the UK , human chipping is being masqueraded as cool , and a must have to the trendies among the sheeple :
Damn it feels good to be a gangster… Funny how the thread about our first black president turned to talk about gangsters and gun rights. People are funny in general I guess.
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ I think that Obama is going to be blamed for higher taxes and national debt, but look at where he is starting out. We're going to be loosing jobs because we're already in debt a few trillion dollars and living off of credit, not because we have a democrat in office. Economically, Republican ideals have no upperlimit and no bottom limit, and Liberal ideals have no upper limit but they do not have a bottom limit. That's the difference, and if we're loosing jobs then we need to have a limit on how poor people can become. Any decent president would hand off most of the planning to a more local government, like the state governor, so just because the president thinks one way doesn't mean that the whole system is going to completely overhaul.
John Rappoport said something along the lines of "When you have the choice between 2 things (vote for me, not the other guy), you still don't have an actual opinion because the system that gave you those 2 choices is the one in control." You can find out enough about the US gov to fill up a nice bag of smug, but there's too much of the US government that is kept secret. privacy, money, religion, military, "favors", etc, how do they influence the government? well they can't be honest. Either the people in charge are really smart or really stupid…
maug said : John Rappoport said something along the lines of "When you have the choice between 2 things (vote for me, not the other guy), you still don't have an actual opinion because the system that gave you those 2 choices is the one in control. Yeah man people forget that , heres the deal , Mc Cain is Coke , Obama is Pepsi , no matter what , after the election , you're still only gonna be drinking the same old brew ….cola . The people funding the parties hedge their bets , and pay into both candidates coffers , no matter what puppet you pick , the people behind the curtain always pull the strings . The true problem here is the illusion of the 2 party system , there is no real choice to be had , it's just really just the same old shit re branded .
rex_mundi wrote: rant Now, let's hear your supporting arguments… and… Go!
nine-ball wrote: RFID….to ever be tracked…..That would piss me off, to no end. Nobody cares who or where you are… paranoia is for the masses.
maug wrote: I think that Obama is going to be blamed for higher taxes and national debt, but look at where he is starting out. We're going to be loosing jobs because we're already in debt a few trillion dollars and living off of credit, not because we have a democrat in office.
We've already been losing jobs and bleeding excessive amounts of money. Wall Street even shut down for a short period of time not too long ago because the drastic loss was too great. Obama has an uphill battle and, in the process, he will get blamed for problems that existed before his presidency. Ironically, the ones that would blame him will most likely be the same ones that were ignorning the pointless excursion in Iraq when they voted for Bush the second time around.
At some point, we have to realize that an increase in taxes, though inconvenient for us, would help to bolster our struggling economy. What's being a bit poorer to prevent an all-out depression? Even the greediest of people can do that math. Damage control sucks but, in the end, it has to happen. Continuing as we have has obviously not succeeded.
rex_mundi wrote: What constitutes a supporting argument , and where in the original post did it ask for that ? Also where does an opinion cross over in your view as to warrant being labeled a "rant" ? A rant is a series of statements with no supporting argument made with the intent of conveying one's ill-founded (and heavily opinionated) point. Supporting arguments are statements made in favor of such suppositions and, without them, we are left wondering exactly what you were hoping to prove with the rant. Your original post didn't ask for them but, as I failed to see the logic in your statements, I asked for them. Do what you will with that.
If nobody cares who , or where you are , why do our collective governments want to log every email and conversation we have , obviously someone cares enough to want to know everything we do and say online , and since thats official policy it can hardly be labeled "paranoia" . The who gives a fuck what they do attitude will only help speed this big brother kind of surveillance into every day existence .
Here in the UK we have cctv everywhere , some have built in facial recognition scanners , though only in the big cities for now , but that will expand outwards pretty soon , we have hidden mics in our lampposts to detect gun shots , though we have virtually no gun crime , we have loud speakers attached to certain cctv cameras so they can bark out orders to passers bye , " please get off the bicycle " , "pick up the litter you dropped " , "present your papers " etc. Perhaps you don't have that there yet , but we do , so our government most certainly does show an interest in its citizens , and as for supporting arguments , when a fucking lamppost tells you to pick up your cigarette butt , or get off your skateboard , I think it ceases to be an "ill-founded (and heavily opinionated) point of view ".
spyware wrote: [quote]fallingmidget wrote: i think that unless you have experienced it yourself you have no idea what its like. if i was robbing you with a gun and you had no way of defending yourself because you don't have a gun what are you going to do.
I would do nothing, because you have a gun and I don't. You're edgy, I'm not. If I say something wrong, give you a wrong look or stand in your way, I'm going to get blown to pieces.
This, however, won't change one bit if I were to carry a gun. Not one tiny little bit.[/quote]
your right. sort of. if i am edgy and want a quick and easy mugging then I'm not going to find someone with a gun of their own to rob. plus if you have a gun there is a greater chance of survival for you in the situation. that's how some people look at it. me i personally believe we should look at who is owning the guns rather the guns themselves. like what about people who like to hunt deer or something for sport. they need a gun or at least a bow. i do agree with you about the unnecessarity of violence in today's world but America is a violent culture and i think sometimes we just need to sit back and accept it.
i like to argue from both perspectives regardless of my own so i can get a better view of the issue. i say this just in case i tend to contradict myself
With all due respect Zephyr as to that paranoia for the masses comment , thats all fine and dandy when it's not happening in your hometown ,and when it's overseas, somewhere else , but it most definitely is happening in my town , we have those lamp posts here ,we have the Gillette rfid stands in our supermarkets , we have human chipping here , and we most definitely have a ruling class here that cares who we are and what we fucking do , enough to have it written into law that the data must be retained and collated into a massive database to track us . So until you live in a place where this kind of shit actually is the accepted "reality" , keep your backwater paranoia comments to yourself please .
Zephyr_Pure wrote:
[quote]nine-ball wrote: RFID….to ever be tracked…..That would piss me off, to no end. Nobody cares who or where you are… paranoia is for the masses.
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I don't want to blame the idea as paranoia really, thats irrelevant. But every now and then, expect some sort of blind social study that the masses either: don't care, don't know, or think they know. I wouldn't hold it against a scientist to ever track and study humans the same as our usual wildlife. We are more interesting for our complexity
But, I'm more hoping for a double-standard that I might never get really, hence I would be pissed knowing I'm just an experiment and not a colleague.
rex_mundi wrote: keep your backwater paranoia comments to yourself please. First off, it wasn't necessary for you to reply in numerous separate posts on the exact same subject. Second, THAT wasn't your rant, moron. When I made the paranoia comment, that was directed at nine-ball. Just in case you got too fucking stoned to remember what you were talking about, let me quote what I labelled as a rant:
rex_mundi wrote: Yeah man people forget that , heres the deal , Mc Cain is Coke , Obama is Pepsi , no matter what , after the election , you're still only gonna be drinking the same old brew ….cola . The people funding the parties hedge their bets , and pay into both candidates coffers , no matter what puppet you pick , the people behind the curtain always pull the strings . The true problem here is the illusion of the 2 party system , there is no real choice to be had , it's just really just the same old shit re branded . So, until you give THAT bit some sort of supporting argument, it's a rant. Keep your ignorant rebuttals to yourself.
Well getting back onto the original topic, it is a massive change for america.
A country that has only ever been run by a white male, now between a white women and a black male.
Free vote? of a forced vote between 2?
I live in england, so i by no means know all about the elections and how they work…
But the way i see it america has basically told its people that its between those 2… and they have stuck with a male leader.
Ive read many posts from americans unhappy with both canidates, ive read posts of americans saying this is the best election in history, if i had to choose, i would have to agree it is about the best thing america has ever done.
I just pray for obama, theres a lot of racist people in this worls who would love a chance to shoot america's first black presidant, this is fact.
I guess all you can say about him is that he is a brave and strong individual. and if gets the chance will probibly do a hell of a lot more good for the country than george w bush.
my views anyways.
whitecell wrote: [quote]K3174N 420 wrote: I just pray for obama, theres a lot of racist people in this worls who would love a chance to shoot america's first black presidant, this is fact.
I think it would be better for Obama if the satanist did not pray for him…[/quote]
Your so ignorant.
I am not a satanist, i do not believe in the devil, i do not believe in god.
I found satan cooler than god in the same way id find bruce lee cooler than sponge bob….
When i use the word pray, it really means more 'hope'.
Stope trying to insult me becuase i do not believe in your god, do i insult you becuase you do believe? no. if my beliefs offend you its not my problem.
Back on topic…
Fritzo wrote: [quote]K3174N 420 wrote: [quote]whitecell wrote: [quote]K3174N 420 wrote: I just pray for obama, theres a lot of racist people in this worls who would love a chance to shoot america's first black presidant, this is fact.
I think it would be better for Obama if the satanist did not pray for him…[/quote]
Your so ignorant.
I am not a satanist, i do not believe in the devil, i do not believe in god.
I found satan cooler than god in the same way id find bruce lee cooler than sponge bob….
When i use the word pray, it really means more 'hope'.
Stope trying to insult me becuase i do not believe in your god, do i insult you becuase you do believe? no. if my beliefs offend you its not my problem.
Back on topic…[/quote]
I should shut up about this, but I never shut up about anything so why start now.
In my opinion, Religion is for the weak or brainwashed people. It's for the ones that cannot realize the cruel facts about life.
Religion brings war.
Normally I would not say this in public, because it is indeed to critize and fuck with a shit lot of people.
But when some retarded ignorant fuckhead like whitecell, Can't shut the fuck up about it, I really can't shut the fuck up about how fucking lame he is.
This post will prolly make 99% of HBH hate me (if they didn't already). But atleast I've spoken my mind.[/quote]
No your right man that was pretty lame of me. Bad joke sorry K3174N I didn't think you were going to get that mad…:o