Pastafarianism
It's the coolest religion around. Read up on it here. [link]http://www.venganza.org/[/link]
When your census come's around. Put your religious preference as Pastafarian. Then the government has to accept it as a religion. Therefore every friday is a religious holiday!
Do it and be touched by his Noodly Appendage.
And of course just for the lawl's
well, i personally think the religion is a brilliant satire. i own their bible for humor sake. however; don't start throwing it in the face of christians and shit like that. firstly, pastafarianism is a JOKE,.. mmmk? don't get me wrong, im no uber chrisitan or whatnot. just dont start a fucking religious war with this crap.
Personally, i prefer spagetti to communion tho, mo tasteh
I'm like the furthest you can get from being Christian and believing in God (though I was once one and did) but no one should be telling others to believe in God or not believe in God, it's just childish.
Don't say we need proof, there is none, you know that, don't add to the childishness.
People believe in what they want to and everyone is happy.
ShapeShifters wrote: I'm like the furthest you can get from being Christian and believing in God (though I was once one and did) but no one should be telling others to believe in God or not believe in God, it's just childish.
Don't say we need proof, there is none, you know that, don't add to the childishness.
People believe in what they want to and everyone is happy.
Re-read the posts please? No one told anyone to NOT believe in God.
Also, don't tell me not to say "we need proof", as to be fair, I do need proof, I refuse to believe anything without solid evidence, and yes I know there IS no proof, hence why I want people to try and give me their best argument for believing in it.
Sorry I meant to say the "don't tell people not to believe in God" in a general sense not pointed towards you specifically.
I'm not saying proof is not important, and yes I need proof too if I were to believe in God telling someone who believes in God to give you proof will get you no where. It's all faith, to believe in something while giving up any reason or critical thought is basically what believing in an almighty being is.
You cannot change their mind and they cannot change yours so what's the point really? It'll just start an argument that will go no where.
ShapeShifters wrote: You cannot change their mind and they cannot change yours so what's the point really? It'll just start an argument that will go no where.
My aim is not to change their mind, but to understand how it works, and what drives them into believing in something that's backed up by a book, and no physical proof.
system_meltdown wrote: [quote]ShapeShifters wrote: You cannot change their mind and they cannot change yours so what's the point really? It'll just start an argument that will go no where.
My aim is not to change their mind, but to understand how it works, and what drives them into believing in something that's backed up by a book, and no physical proof.[/quote]
People are raised on the beliefs so it's easy to see why they stick.
It makes death something more than "HEY! When you die you just rot in the ground!"
It makes people happy and brings people together.
It's not hard to see why people believe in things so abnormal and far fetched as religion, even without proof.
only_samurai wrote: no, you are right. its not hard to see why people follow this, however; the question should be "should they follow?"
I think there's nothing wrong with it until you get the extremists who are all "kill gays because they go against god".
edit in to add: But then again they will always exist so it can't be helped and they are a minority nowadays anyway
ShapeShifters wrote: People are raised on the beliefs so it's easy to see why they stick.
It makes death something more than "HEY! When you die you just rot in the ground!"
It makes people happy and brings people together.
It's not hard to see why people believe in things so abnormal and far fetched as religion, even without proof.
Whilst these are good points, I'd like to hear them from a Christian point of view too.
jaggedlancer wrote: [quote]ShapeShifters wrote: It's not hard to see why people believe in things so abnormal and far fetched as religion, even without proof.
Does that include Scientology - The stories of Xenu?[/quote]
I'm not at all familiar with Scientology so I wont comment on it. Christianity is my strong point in religion.
ShapeShifters wrote: I'm not at all familiar with Scientology so I wont comment on it. Christianity is my strong point in religion.
Scientologists seem to believe that the evil Lord Xenu flew down to Earth in his space cruiser, dropped some frozen bodies into a volcano, and they melted, causing their souls to be released, they then tried to fly back up to space, but Xenu thought that they would do this, so he built a soul-catching device, which he then captured the escaped souls with, and then transfered them into a brainwashing facility, where they were forced to watch loadsa shit, which confused them, and they were left strolling the Earth confused, until the dawn of man, where the souls entered the bodies. And that is supposedly, why we are confused about how we originated.
Bullshit much?
only_samurai wrote: no, you are right. its not hard to see why people follow this, however; the question should be "should they follow?"
i think the real question is "why follow this one particular religion?". they all have the same kind of 'proof', so does that mean that they are all true? why should somebody choose one over the other?
system_meltdown wrote: [quote]ShapeShifters wrote: I'm not at all familiar with Scientology so I wont comment on it. Christianity is my strong point in religion.
Scientologists seem to believe that the evil Lord Xenu flew down to Earth in his space cruiser, dropped some frozen bodies into a volcano, and they melted, causing their souls to be released, they then tried to fly back up to space, but Xenu thought that they would do this, so he built a soul-catching device, which he then captured the escaped souls with, and then transfered them into a brainwashing facility, where they were forced to watch loadsa shit, which confused them, and they were left strolling the Earth confused, until the dawn of man, where the souls entered the bodies. And that is supposedly, why we are confused about how we originated.
Bullshit much?[/quote]
haha that is…funny
ShapeShifters wrote: [quote]system_meltdown wrote: [quote]ShapeShifters wrote: I'm not at all familiar with Scientology so I wont comment on it. Christianity is my strong point in religion.
Scientologists seem to believe that the evil Lord Xenu flew down to Earth in his space cruiser, dropped some frozen bodies into a volcano, and they melted, causing their souls to be released, they then tried to fly back up to space, but Xenu thought that they would do this, so he built a soul-catching device, which he then captured the escaped souls with, and then transfered them into a brainwashing facility, where they were forced to watch loadsa shit, which confused them, and they were left strolling the Earth confused, until the dawn of man, where the souls entered the bodies. And that is supposedly, why we are confused about how we originated.
Bullshit much?[/quote]
haha that is…funny[/quote]
Agreed :)
i've found that the way to be good, is to look in each religion and find their "key." each religion has gotten some things correct. it is up to us to extract that and follow it.
be a good person and your religious choice does not matter. suppose the catcholics are correct, in their dogma it states that a man cannot be wrong without doing in full knowledge something evil. Ignorance here, is not a crime or a sin. therefore, follow with all your being what you truly believe to be right and you will have no worries. all religions seem to have this, they do not blame you for not knowing.
only_samurai wrote: i've found that the way to be good, is to look in each religion and find their "key." each religion has gotten some things correct. it is up to us to extract that and follow it.
be a good person and your religious choice does not matter. suppose the catcholics are correct, in their dogma it states that a man cannot be wrong without doing in full knowledge something evil. Ignorance here, is not a crime or a sin. therefore, follow with all your being what you truly believe to be right and you will have no worries. all religions seem to have this, they do not blame you for not knowing.
a good way to look at it. I also am not an atheist and have a specific religion(i view it as such anyway).
/uber religion thread go
If God exists, and his power goes beyond any human measure, why do three-year old girls get raped, their head smashed against the curb, their teeth pulled out and their ears eaten. Why does that happen huh?
Religion is an excuse for being together and having faith. Lets face it, some people don't need an invisible friend to be happy.
Lets stop religion and start the things that religion can, according to any believer, create.
Lets start making this damned place a little less damned, instead of drinking the blood of Jesus.
spyware wrote: /uber religion thread go
If God exists, and his power goes beyond any human measure, why do three-year old girls get raped, their head smashed against the curb, their teeth pulled out and their ears eaten. Why does that happen huh?
Maybe because some religions also have something called 'free will'?
So, it's not up to God what happens down here, but it's up to us, the human being.
Why even bother believing in God then? What God? OH! The invisible God somewhere up -there-…
See here, people who weren't raised in a religious-way are more neutral. Therefore, isn't it more likely God doesn't exist? (Edit, I wrote this just to show people that being neutral automatically means statistically we have more chance to get this thing right, but hey, God knows if I'm right)
Maybe it's just a tale to keep children from stealing, murdering and raping.
It's all morals, right. Who needs God for that?
i like to think that there is no 'god' that we need to find and worship and try to appease, but that everyone posesses what we might call 'god' within ourselves. we all need to strive to find our own 'god' whatever that may be and try to help other find theirs.
this way of thinking is such that we are all equals and does not lead to any pointless wars. it also encourages us to try to better ourselves rather than to try to worship someone to avoid punishment (i.e. hell).
I think religion is meant to avoid thinking about our weakness… when it comes to think about death, I personally can't stand i'll rot in the ground without leaving trace and without continuing to be. Then I think: "Ah, if I believed in God!". Goethe wrote that God makes us happy with illusions, and I think it's true: as usually, knowledge is suffer! So I can't blame who's trying to get over his/her suffer, even if he/she is shutting a bit down Reason. Why should they know that there's nothing to know? That we are so weak… but then humility should come, and pride comes instead. Maybe this is because they need some sort of structure to believe, to replace the proofs we all feel are the only way to know. They built it in the ages, they wrote about it, they spoke about it, and made it real. Then they acted in consistency sake, and built what we call ideology. This makes me so sad! What was made as a way to ease life has become something that makes it harder: structures became stronger and stronger, people died, and they need consistency yet, just like today. Maybe this is the way they can't stop having their "ethics" and "dogmas", and as I said, it makes me very unhappy. To me, religion has foundations in pain, and unfortunately, in pain has the roof.
Religion is just a scapegoat on reality, it's for those who cannot cope with things, it's for those who can't find answers to questions, so they turn to religion, thinking that maybe God can answer their prayers/questions, but does he? No. Why would he? How can he? He can't, in my opinion he doesn't exist. And even if he did, it's not like he'd waste his time helping every single individual on this planet, first of all, hardly anyone is deserving of his help, I don't think anyone has lived a life sin-free, maybe the Pope, but who knows, maybe he's a secret crack addict… Anyway, my point is, if there is a God, no one deserves his help, and people should stop seeking help from him, and start seeking help from REAL PEOPLE, counselors, friends, family, heck, why not try and help yourself? You know yourself better than anyone else, therefore you should know which advice would be best applied to yourself. Don't waste time asking God, he won't help, only you, and existent people can help. Don't scapegoat reality, see things for what they are, not how your book tells you to see them.
[Some of this probably didn't make sense, but I'm extremely tired, so bare with it…]
ynori7 wrote: [quote]system_meltdown wrote: Some of this probably didn't make sense, but I'm extremely tired, so bare with it…
makes perfect sense to me. that's why i was saying that we need to find strength within ourselves rather than from some magical outside force.[/quote]
Glad you got my point, I was trying to follow your point as I completely agree, I mean, what's the chance of a super-powerful being wanting to help you, you're better off getting real help, from real people!
Where are all the good Christian arguments? I was hoping this would be more fun…
Here, I'll even start this thing…
Christians, tell me this:
[x] You believe in the Bible, obviously, or you wouldn't be Christian, yes? Now, in Genesis, does it say that God created the earth one day and animals another day and stuff like that?
Well, we can prove scientifically that the Earth was here many millions, perhaps billions (I think it's the latter, but I'm not sure), of years before any lifeforms were here.
There's a direct contradiction between your holy text and scientific proof, but of course you're always free to believe whatever you want to believe.
[x] Another thing about the Bible is that it is very incomplete. Constantine edited out a bunch of it during his time. (yes, they all got together and sat down and decided which parts they thought should be included, and then threw out the rest)
Not to mention all of the gospels and whatnot that haven't been found yet, the bible can't be the whole truth, even if it is partially true, because we don't have parts of it.
Now this makes me wonder…why would Constantine choose to take these particular parts out and leave others in? Perhaps he realized that they sounded too ridiculous for people to actually believe…
**[x] **Here's a big one. In Christianity, you believe God knows everything, past, present, and future, right? That he knows exactly what you're going to be doing 3 years from now on April 17 at 12:36 AM, right?
Well, and this has already been pointed out in a great movie, if at this exact moment in time, right now, he already knows what's going to happen at the time I just listed, then how can you possibly decide what you're going to be doing at that time?
You're basically saying that you believe in destiny and not freewill if you say you believe in that. And I can't speak for everyone, but I know that I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my own life… (Even though truthfully, we all are in control of every situation that happens to us, save one)
There we go, this should get things going.
Skunkfoot wrote: Where are all the good Christian arguments? I was hoping this would be more fun…
Here, I'll even start this thing…
Christians, tell me this:
[x] You believe in the Bible, obviously, or you wouldn't be Christian, yes? Now, in Genesis, does it say that God created the earth one day and animals another day and stuff like that?
Well, we can prove scientifically that the Earth was here many millions, perhaps billions (I think it's the latter, but I'm not sure), of years before any lifeforms were here.
There's a direct contradiction between your holy text and scientific proof, but of course you're always free to believe whatever you want to believe.
[x] Another thing about the Bible is that it is very incomplete. Constantine edited out a bunch of it during his time. (yes, they all got together and sat down and decided which parts they thought should be included, and then threw out the rest)
Not to mention all of the gospels and whatnot that haven't been found yet, the bible can't be the whole truth, even if it is partially true, because we don't have parts of it.
Now this makes me wonder…why would Constantine choose to take these particular parts out and leave others in? Perhaps he realized that they sounded too ridiculous for people to actually believe…
**[x] **Here's a big one. In Christianity, you believe God knows everything, past, present, and future, right? That he knows exactly what you're going to be doing 3 years from now on April 17 at 12:36 AM, right?
Well, and this has already been pointed out in a great movie, if at this exact moment in time, right now, he already knows what's going to happen at the time I just listed, then how can you possibly decide what you're going to be doing at that time?
You're basically saying that you believe in destiny and not freewill if you say you believe in that. And I can't speak for everyone, but I know that I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my own life… (Even though truthfully, we all are in control of every situation that happens to us, save one)
There we go, this should get things going.
I'm going to argue one or two of these for fun even though I'm not a Christian (I'm just bored lol)
First point: Try this thought on for size. The bible doesn't specifically acknowledge that the "one day" is the measly 24 hours as we see it. It could be 24 million years for all we know right?
Third point: In my opinion looking into the future is a VERY complicated thing IF it were possible and it might already take into account all the decisions you will make. There is in fact going to be a future and you will(if you exist in that future) be doing something. The only thing to really confuse you now is if the future can be changed if discovered or will it already take into account that you try and change it…:S