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i would say suse because of yast ((yet another system tool) - it install rpms and shit as well as sets up server things) but it doesn't have dvd play back (german laws!!!) so i would say mandrake or fedora 3 (it has a good community, i think?). anyway install it on a second hard disc - trust me you dont want to fuck around with partitioning!!!!
Yes you do :D it's not that hard. But you have to know what you are doing :) I would recommend Fedora Core 3, it has the rpm and good community. You can find anything online but that goes for all distro's really. The only thing that you are certain of is that you gotta switch to linux, believe me :) It's heaven :)
But i don't have that much exp with other distro's. But don't throw away your windows yet , dual boot with the bootloaders. You still need them occasionally, like i do for vb.
Read the TT1 *NIX: number three article! Basically, I'd suggest Mandriva or Debian to a newbie, despite personal preference. No one with half a brain can deny that Mandriva is easy, and handles automounting well. FC3 is ok, but Debian has a nice community and can handle RPMS as well with Alien <rpm> | dpkg. Suse is ok, but I would suggest it for someone with a linux history.
I personally use Slackware, Debian, Solaris, and FreeBSD.
*bringing new life in the linux thread :)
I use gnome desktop fc 3 wich i would recommend to everybody ;)
The only difference is, i had to make partitions etc to install it cause i didn't have an extra disk and fc 3 doesn't have build in ntfs format compactibility. So after you install it you have to make a few changes and get yourself a different kernel. But all that shit was great. Let's put it this way : if windows goes bad => blue screen reboot, bad clusters, hdd busted, reinstall, new hardware if linux goes bad => you open terminal , open the malfunctioning thing, fix it, and go back to what you where doing
MUCH more stable, MUCH more freedom MUCH more fun
Cheers and if anybody wants help with the ntfs format etc i can give you links and tips and help etc,
oww yeah and linux has a BIG community :D
yeah that's just it, stupid microsoft. But like i said there is a big project for making linux compactible with ntfs partitions. And yes i can view and read from them but in fc 3 you have to first get the right rpm for your system, install it, then it rewrites your kernel. After that you have to alter your fstab file for the auto - mounting. IN suse if i'm not mistaking it's build in (the reading, not sure about the automounting)
nights_shadow wrote: I use SUSE 9.1 as well. Not as my main OS, that's Windows, i've yet to learn how to play .wma files on linux without having to d/l anything, that's why i still use Windows as my main OS.
ah that was a bitch but i found a really easy way to get it working by installing mplayer:
2. Open YaST Modules
3. Open Software
4. Open "Change Installation Source"
5. Add "HTTP"
6. As Server: "packman.iu-bremen.de" Without Quotes
7. As Directory: "suse/9.2" (If you are using 9.1 enter "suse/9.1") Without Quotes
8. Open Install and Remove Software
9. Search for Mplayer
10. Install```
Two things- In your initial post you said "(even knoppix)," and I'd just like to clarify something about it. Knoppix is a Debian based distrobution, much like Ubuntu/Kubutu. It uses the same FS, Kernel, Apt, and RC scripts. The only difference is Knoppix has three system types, bare, debian, and multi-user on install, and that it automatically sets KDE to be the initial Window Manager. Yes, knoppix is also a Live-Linux distrobution, but it's not much different than Debian. It also includes a few minor security tools, but nothing that would make a newbie into a 'l33t hax0r,' they're just tools that only experts would get use out of.
Also, MPlayer alone will not make windows media files work. The base installation, at least the .deb package, does not include Windows codec. Just go to the Mplayer site and grab the package of extra codecs, and you'll be set.
At the moment, I'm reinstalling Solaris on my 40gb, running FreeBSD as a gateway on a 20gb, Slackware for my Wireless accesspoint/router, and Kubuntu on my main 200gb hd. At the moment I'm only using Kubuntu for its inclusion of KDE 3.4, something Debian's Woody/Sarge do/will not include right off. I personally dislike Kubuntu over Debian, but I have no real choice when I want a debian-base system.
scankyfrank wrote: can you not view ntfs partitions? i know linux cant write to ntfs because m$ aint given out the IDE or something, but you should be able to read! try just mounting it or go to [uel]www.linuxquestions.org[/url]
That's not true. Its a seperate kernel module you have to install, (for writing to NTFS,) still in alpha testing. Plus, I think he meant FC3 will not install onto an NTFS partition.
thousandtoone wrote:
Also, MPlayer alone will not make windows media files work. The base installation, at least the .deb package, does not include Windows codec. Just go to the Mplayer site and grab the package of extra codecs, and you'll be set.
yeah, thats why i did it through yast, it installs all the codecs and stuff which mplayer needs.
thousandtoone wrote: That's not true. Its a seperate kernel module you have to install, (for writing to NTFS,) still in alpha testing. Plus, I think he meant FC3 will not install onto an NTFS partition.
cool, i didn't know that… i will definately install it when it's released!!
yeah, im downloadin Ubuntu 5.04 now, but i cant find any free partitioning software!! its pissin me off, cos i cant buy any programs, i need to find a free one!
im downloadin PHLAK as well, cos it will fit on my shitty 600mb blank CD's :p
Where is that flash tutorial on how to install Knoppix? i watched it once and it helped, but i cant find it now!
i cant remember the free partitioner. i think it was free partition. the flash tutorial for installl knoppixs in http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=videos/knoppix1
Hey All,
http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ is the site detailing the kernel module that allows access to ntfs partitions. Currently it only allows read access but in its favour it seems very stable.
It is possible to enable read/write access on ntfs partitions with a little bit of effort. If you download the kernel source (makes sence to copy over your existing kernel build config so ya don't mess anything else up) when you are selecting options for kernel compilation "xconfig" in filesystems->ntfs-> there is an option to enable write support (does not support encrypted or compressed drives) but I would stress this is experimental code.
Remember its possible to view linux drives (ext2/ext3 but not unfortunatly RieserFS) with windows with programs such as Explore2fs http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
Finally, to continue the discussion on Distros, I'm really fond of Fedora Core (having tried Mandrake, Xandros, Lycoris, Knoppix). Its a professional looking (thanks to bluecurve) and stable distrobution. It comes with carefully selected (key) software which means you don't end up with 3 programs doing the same thing (waste of space) leaving plenty of room to add what you prefer/need. With such a strong community, great support for rpm and tools such as synaptic this is easy. It could be argued that its lack of multimedia support is a weakness but thanks to http://freshrpms.net/ its so easy to add packages solving this.
Well use several linuxes all together :) Just boot in knoppix and as you can see in the irongeek tutorial it has a build in partitioning program, you should be able to use that to create a new partition. Then install ubuntu.
I could be wrong here, cause it's all theoretical and i havn't tried it out yet but it should work ;)
post if you have any problems etc
Its fabulous to see Linux spreading but I'm not sure about all the fuss over Knoppix, I used it a while back and it was so slow till you installed it to harddrive (defeating the point of it as a "live" distro) at which point I found, probably due to its roots as a live distro, it was much harder to get prebuilt rpms that it was for the traditional RedHat/Fedora/Mandrake, etc.
Also, remember there are other live distros than Knoppix. Mandrake and SuSe have both released versions of their os that run form CD. (Mandrake Move & SuSe Live) These are aimed at giving you a taste before you try the full distro. Also about is Morphix which is based on Knoppix but is modular so ya get to "roll your own" distro which you can then use as a Live CD.
The windows like distros (Lycoris, Xandros) are great for family PCs when the rest don't wanna dump windows. (Lycoris, Xandros) but they are less flexible. SuSE & Fedora seem to be very popular (strong communities and software options)
Seriously folks, compilings great but ya only tend to see benefits when you have optimised core maths librarys, etc (think the librarys (not programs) taking care of zip file extraction/mp3 playback etc). its a shame then that these tend to come already built with your distro. Unless ya use Gentoo which compiles everything.
Well to all the heavy gamers, there is still hope :D
just make your graphics card working and use a windows emulator, there are alot of them available.
They make a virtual copy of your windows libraries, so they would support alot of games. So if sb cares to try out i can give some good links, but i havn't got the chance to try it out yet.
But i will do once i get my other graphics card back.
- linux is alot more stable and faster so that's much better for your games cause it uses less system resources so more resources for your games ;)
SHIT! im on my dad's computer which is on a Wireless Network, connected to my computer. On my computer i have a dual partition, which is running Ubuntu 5.04 and Windows XP. Ubuntu has just been installed, but BootMagic did not install properly, and the stuipd rescue disks for Partition Magic do not work!! I can not configure my Wireless network, because i didnt check to see if it is for windows only :p so i cant get back into XP. :s. is pretty sad, i dont know why i am having all these stupid problems. When i try to run the driver installer it just says something like Can Not Open '/username/install.exe' or whatever. It is really pissin me off. If i have to i can just install XP Over ubuntu, then download Partition Magic again, and delete the partition to go back to my old windows, is this what i should do?
Well i'm guessing you use 2 hdd IN that case you should be able to just change wich hdd to boot from in your bios settings so restart the comp then redo the bios settings for the booting and you should be able to get back to winXP without any trouble.
Let me know if you have any trouble or if you can't do that i'll help you out further
Well post every detail you can find on the hardware of your wireless lan and maybe somebody with the same problem that fixed it once could help you.
also www.google.com/linux/ is a good alternative for the searching ;)
Linux is still having some support issues with WLANS. there are many cards that work however. a good site where you can check for compatibility is Prisim54.org (or just use good old google ;) )
and if you really want to play games on Linux that are ment for Windows you can just use WINE. i'm not a gamer at all so i don't have that particular problem ;)
thats one thing everyone should do, check if there hardware is supported suse has a good database for things it supports out the box. Also why do you have to drop windows? windows is still good, wine sucks for games i think. I mean is good but i'd prefer to keep windows and have my games working that us wine.
i recently recieved my cd of knoppix. i love linux it took a couple of trickts to get it to run on my sony laptop (could not access bios) but i got it working now. im currently building a desktop and trying to decide on which distro to install. i like knoppix but seems to load webpages a lot slower than my winxp. also i have a problem loading knoppix onto my desktop. i donot currently have a hard drive in the machine but i do have enough mem for it to run very nicely. so here it is: when i boot from the cd everythings fine until it starts unpacking the kernal. then i get an error saying kernal panic cannot create rootfs. what am i doing wrong does it need to have some form of physical disk to write to?
Just make sure you have a bit of free space on your hdd. If this is the case almost every user friendly distro you use should partition for you etc.
If you are planning on using F'edora Core 3 i can walk you thrue the whole partitioning thingy. If you just want to know how to partition folow the partitioning bit on the irongeek tutorial about installing knoppix on hdd, it's basically the same for each distro.
And if you really are taht lazy (wich is fine by me :D ) just get linspire It's basically windows with the linux kernel =)
Hope some of this motivated you lol
LOL 1 terra :D aahg the possibilities :) Well i just did some new things with linux and for the ones that don't know http://www.toms.net/rb/ andhttp://hysteria.sk/brutalware/.
2 small distro's , the first fits on floppy, the second alot of hacking tools (2 floppies). It has possibilities :) ( of course there is always http://www.knoppix-std.org/ for the real l33t :) )
- if you didn't allready knew http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html
Well personally since i use fc3 i think red hat isn't that bad but i'm gonna install slackware in like 3 weeks so i'll see "what i missed all those years" :)
whoppix http://www.whoppix.net is a pretty good distro. it is a live CD that is meant for pen testers (all sorts of goodies ;) ). it is based off of knoppix.
some people don't like RedHat cause they feel that it is too much like Mircosoft. Also, RH is not one of the most secure distros. but i dont have a problem with it….
That's just because red hat is more user friendly, for as much as i know about linux, fedora core 3 is a good distro to start with so in that case red hat is a good thing.
If you get better in linux, just switch to another distro. Gentoo for instance has some very good advantages but it's not really newbie friendly. So red hat does what it has to quite nice. Of course everyone is entitled to his own opinion so this is all just my own opinion. Don't want to get a distro war starting lol :D
WIN 3.1 POWNS THEM ALL ;)
for my laptop i googled for a boot disk found the boot.img and put it on a flopy stuck that in my floppy and it booted from the cd.
also what should i do about my kernal panic problem. the computer has no operating os. 521 of mem and currently a 4Gb hdd i got for free. it also says in idle task not syncing. plz help i hope there is something i can do
Well right now my windows 98 box is on the frits. For some reason it wont read the graphics card which is really weird because it read it before i formated it (Long story.) Anyways my Live Whoppix works fine with it. But i was wondering how to partition my Hard Drive so i could dual boot it with my whoppix. ( Only dual because its my dads computer and he wont approve) Anyone with some help?
well dual boot with whoppix is going to actually be more difficult that using a normal linux distro. but it can be done.
the first thing to do is install Windows, but do not take up the whole HD (re-partitioning can be a pain in the ass). next copy the whoppix boot dir onto your HD (sorry i am not sure what this is called :-/ ). you will still have to boot from the CD but it should eject itself once booting is finished. You may also need to get a bootloader in order to do a dual boot using this method (the best boot loader is, in my opinion, GRUB ). Also, note that i never said that tese instructions are exactly correct, or that the system will be fst and/or stable. you're pretty much on your own if you pick this route ;)
like i said it is more trouble than it is worth. just get RedHat or a normal Linux distro and set up a dual boot using that. It will come with a boot loader and will be a much eaiser install (and will be more stable) ;)
gl
Fedora Core 3 is user friendly, so is Suse. Those two are the most common to start with. It has decent hardware support and user friendlyness, fedora core 3 uses Gnome as a desktop enviroment where as Suse uses KDE for that. It's a bit of a personal choice really, of course there are other distro's but those 2 are good to start with.
I use Fedora Core 3 and i can say i'm pretty pleased with it. Quick install, gui nice, etc etc.
But you can't go wrong with other distro's, some are just a bit harder to start with.
I like RedHat. it is a pretty user friendly distro, but it is powerful. you can dl fedora for free off of redhat's site (http://www.redhat.com) or you could get The RedHat Linux 9 Bible which comes with the OS. If you opt for the bible, be warned that it is older and RedHat no longer provides support for it. but i still use it and it is cool. Mandrake is alos good and so is SuSe. just look around and try to find a distro that suits your needs ;)
as for a choice of desktop, the 2 best ones are KDE and Gnome. KDE was designed to rival the Mac and Windows for user friendlyness, so it is good for newbies. However i prefer Gnome. Gnome is also very easy to use (i started on it). i would say go for Gnome! (but i'm biased towards Gnome, so go for whichever one suits your needs ;) )
also, regardless of whcih distro you choose, dont always stick to the GUI. expirencing Linux from bash (or your shell of choice) is a much more rewarding expirence!
gl
okay well there are several things you can do in this situation. if you install Linux as your pirmary OS, you dont need another OS to launch from. as to the HD problem, try going into your BIOS, and setting your primary IDE device as your CD drive. boot off of a floppy and have it run the OS from the CD. not sure if this will work, but hey it is worth a shot (i kow for a fact you could boot into runlevel 3 like this….)
as too the kernal panic, what exactly does the error message say?
I have an iBook G4 running Tiger and I wanna see why everyone says linux is so good. I have virtual PC on my laptop running windows 98. Would I be able to install linux onto the emulation that I have for windows 98 or am I just being a dumbass? I have never found a mac installable version of linux. There isn't one is there? Does anyone else out there use mac?
pepe wrote: I have an iBook G4 running Tiger and I wanna see why everyone says linux is so good. I have virtual PC on my laptop running windows 98. Would I be able to install linux onto the emulation that I have for windows 98 or am I just being a dumbass? I have never found a mac installable version of linux. There isn't one is there? Does anyone else out there use mac?
linux can be installed on a mac, theres a distro called yellow dog which is just for macs: http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/ . i think you can install linux using virtual linux, i've never done it but it does create a fake harddrive on the real one for the OS being emulated. I'm sure that SuSE and mandrake support ppc aswell. you just have to find the iso for it.
i fixed my problem. i took it to as linux user meeting i had set something wrong in my bios. i will make the switch when i can succesfully run itunes in linux fully featured (i.e. itunes music store) until then im still a windows slave. if you know how to either get free songs from itunes or how to run it in linux pm me.
I have thought of starting LFs (linux from scratch) just as a fun little project, what do you guys think? I havn't REALLY used linux. Just a little knoppix. But I think it would be fun to work on it strait. Anyway, what do you guys think?
Thx NC
P.S: can you specify commands in the terminal? is there a file where you can tell it that if you type "ask terminal" then it'll go and run something?
Yeah I'm downloading SuSE 10 (SRC DVD 4.4GB ) @ 841KB…. god I LOVE my new 8mb line :D
Never actually used SuSE before, started with RedHat but got rid as soon as they went commercial (tsk tsk) then turned to Debian, always used FreeBSD on other machine, gonna be interesting to see how SuSE compares to RedHat/Debian ;)
Slodave wrote: I don't use Linux yet (except knoppix ;) ), but I am planning to install it. Any advice which distribution to start from first hand?
Try using ubuntu they ship it for free check http://ubuntu.com to download for free or https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ to get it shipped
I use Ubuntu Version 5.04
i really dont have a problem with it i get it on cd for free all dont pay shiping or for the cd so that cool and well its LINUX i just ordered the new version 5.10 friday and well yeah i cant wait to get my hands on that plus i dont have to pay $80 for it like most people have to unless they download it yeah…
ubuntu is an operationg system consisting entirely of free nad open source software. with ubuntu you can surf the web, read email, create documents, spreadsheets and more! Ubuntu gives you power and flexibility for business and education, at home or in the office.
ubuntu is easy to install, free of viruses, and perfect for laptops, desktops and servers. ubuntu is community developed, commercially supported, and offers free security updates. a new version is released every six months.
"ubuntu" is an ancient african word that means " humanity towards other". it embodies the spirit of open source software, which is built by the best software practitioners for the benefit of all humanity.
plus you are legally entitled and encouraged to copy, share and redistribute the cd for yourself and your friends. share the spirit of ubuntu!
if you want more information go to WWW.UBUNTU.COM
i tried Mepis 3.3.1-1 (ordered it by the internet). It is my favorite distro from all that i tested (mandrake, kubuntu 5.04SOHO, vectorlinux, and maybe,if wine will work on it, better than slax v5.0.6 Kill Bill Edition) but it cannot detect my Realtek RTL8139 card. F1(help) pls i m using windows xp again and i'm looosing control( +alt +delete) here.
My first personal rule on os'es: "An os that can't use the internet and can't execute windows programs, is an X-os 4 me" :P
I just installed Fedora Core 4 this morning. I think it's better than Windows in performance, but the popularity of Linux programs makes them hard to find compared to Windows products. Also, my soundcard isn't being detected so I'm in silence until I figure that out.
Before FC4, I've only ever used livecds. I got tired of them, that's what motivated me to install FC.
Yes system_meltdown the funniest thing about SuSE at school is little year 7's going "Hmmm… Wheres Microsoft Word gone?"
Some people are clearly brainwashed.:o I'm not saying Linux is the best or its flawless, but the fact is as soon as a non-geek interfaces with linux within a few minutes they're thinking Hmmmm this is shit.:o:(
i use Xandros Desktop OS 3.0 (Debian based), it is the most user-friendly linux out there, and with alot of eye-candy. it has the best installer (rpms or debs), i have used red-hat prior to changing to xandros, and also have tried the many other popular flavs (suse, mandrake, simply mepis, knoppix, ubuntu, et al). i have live-cds of all the major distros to show peeps so that they can choose which they like. the live-cds are also good for trouble-shooting. my peeves with linux are if u have an issue it may take some time to find a resolution, if at all! anyway for people that want to add linux to an existing hd, use Partition Magic to create the new space. and lastly forget linux and go with BSD B)
Darth_Pengo wrote: Why do you need 3CD's to install something? Suse comes on 1-2 just like Slackware and Ubuntu and all that jaz
Well i guess it depends on the size of that distro and what you get with it… the Slack 10.0 my friend gave me was on 3 disks, but the third disk was mostly extras for gnome.
I use more than one distro.
For my GUI needs i have a machine with SuSE Pro 9.3 installed with many customizations running 4 desktops to get my optimal coverage when I freeze up a screen ;) My website/Server is running Debian (Sarge) 3.1 which gives me the text based items needed and easy costomizability.
Linux is the way of the future!
I use more than one distro.
For my GUI needs i have a machine with SuSE Pro 9.3 installed with many customizations running 4 desktops to get my optimal coverage when I freeze up a screen ;) My website/Server is running Debian (Sarge) 3.1 which gives me the text based items needed and easy costomizability.
Linux is the way of the future!
scankyfrank wrote: can you not view ntfs partitions? i know linux cant write to ntfs because m$ aint given out the IDE or something, but you should be able to read! try just mounting it or go to [uel]www.linuxquestions.org[/url]
How about you don't use shitty Winblows with nfts formatting…. use something Linux can read!
scankyfrank wrote: can you not view ntfs partitions? i know linux cant write to ntfs because m$ aint given out the IDE or something, but you should be able to read! try just mounting it or go to [uel]www.linuxquestions.org[/url]
How about you don't use shitty Winblows with nfts formatting…. use something Linux can read!
blackwolf2327 wrote: never herd of it. sorry ……………………………AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO DOESNT KNOW WHAT LINUX IS! WHO DOES THAT?! REALLY! calms down sorry that made me mad, mainly because I hate windows and microsoft with such a fiery passion that it drives me nuts when people don't know alternative OSs even exist.
here's a good reason why…
n00dles,
Yes Windows users are dependant on the GUI interface. But hell who isn't?
I am a old school Windows user (Back in the 3.0 days and before) I once owned a copy of Windows 1.1 for gods sake!
SuSE, RedHat and Mandrake make it simple for someone that is not a computer Guru to look at this "NEW" operating system and see the ease of use for their needs. Yes I do agree that *NIX operating systems like Debian, HP-UX and Solaris are far better in the long run…but for a learning platform SuSE, RedHat (or Fedora Core) and Mandrake (now Mandriva) are great for learning the operating system.
Not all people are able to spend 10-16 hours a day in front of a computer and if they are they do not always dictate what goes on it. I use SuSE for its ease of use on my home computer. I use Debian for its stability on my FTP/HTTP Server.
What I am saying is if people want to get into Linux and choose a "Lesser Evil" so to speak. then good for them. Better SuSE or RedHat then putting more bills in Bills pockets!
Did I rant too long? Should I make this into an article? let me know!
hey can any1 post a link 2 some nice emulators ?? its hard 4 me 2 say goodbye 2 good 'ol messegers like yahoo and msn… and i kinda like spending time 2 play with me pals on the comp;.. games like diablo starcraft and mu online (i like only Global MU:)). PLZZZZ REPLY as QUICKLY as u can coz if this works,, then LOTS of ppl will leave windows in favor of linux..
have u tried amsn? works fine for me (on ubuntu) http://amsn.sourceforge.net/ WINE is ok for gamez http://www.winehq.com/