white/grey/black hats...?

Do you consider yourself a black,a grey or a white hat hacker?

i consider myself a grey hat hacker.

pure white here.

Grey… Though I've only ever hacked 2 sites.

hmm, good question…

if someone serioulsy pissed me off i would have no second thoughts of destroying their site, the same thing if the content of the site seriously pissed me of aswell.

any random site that i come across and hack, i would tag and inform them of the vunrability.

So i guess that makes me grey… (the shade varies from day to day ;))

keiran420 wrote: hmm, good question…

if someone serioulsy pissed me off i would have no second thoughts of destroying their site, the same thing if the content of the site seriously pissed me of aswell.

any random site that i come across and hack, i would tag and inform them of the vunrability.

So i guess that makes me grey… (the shade varies from day to day ;))

hehe..same here…even thou im cracking porn sites and then share the accounts…

Ok first of all , this topic is stupid and pointless , all the true blackhats wont tell that they are a blackhat because then they will get flamed and banned just like cheese banned me for being a blackhat a while ago . So i say someone lock this topic its pointless , and white + grey == almost the same thing

btw grey hat isnt much of a hat seeing as how white and black were the originals , and according to these articles grey is the same as black hat

Somewhere along the timeline of hacking and cracking, someone, possibly the L0pht, substituted a gray scale palette for classic black and white. The gray hat became the ambiguous icon of hacktivism, the sometimes questionable practice of non-malicious probing of computers and networks for vulnerabilitiesm for entertainment, occasional fame, or notoriety. Gray-hat hacktivists claim they are "doing good" because they disclose vulnerabilities that might otherwise be exploited by (ahem) persons of lesser integrity, that they are independent researchers who occasionally make political statements; and that they don't harm anything or anyone.

What gray hats fail to appreciate is that they don't own the definition of harmless. Suppose a gray hat discloses he accessed a medical database, but claims he didn't actually study or copy it. Perhaps he did A Good Thing by notifying the medical practice, but patients of that practice will not consider the act "harmless". What is fact here is obvious: the same individual would not have been employed to perform this penetration test; in doing so on his own, he broke the law, perhaps several; and he expects attention rather than detention, so he hides behind a wooly moniker.

Gray hats are also insensitive to the emotional damage a victim associates with an attack. If someone were to break into your home, you would feel violated, uncertain of what transpired, what personal items were touched, abused, or stolen. Everything would seem creepy and tainted. You might even move. The emotions are no different with computer break-ins. What did the attacker see, take,… leave?

Gray hat motivations are ambiguous at best, and this calls character into question. Suppose someone were to appear at your front door one morning and inform you that he broke into your bedroom the night prior. He shows you how he bypassed the alarm, and compromised the lockset, and shows you a letter he left in your dresser to corroborate his claim. How warmly would you receive this interloper? What cause would you have to believe he revealed everything he did, or saw?

The problem with shades of gray is that color distinctions can be conveniently blurred. You can't have gray when you evaluate hacking in an ethical context: only black hats benefit from being perceived as gray. A recent CNET news column claims that "most security specialists classify hackers as white hats or black hats, but in reality, most hackers fall somewhere in between".

im still kinda a newb in hacking in my opinion. so i dont do much but i still like to have some fun with my school now and then ;)

why dont you answer the question yourself as well , are you like looking for a hat that the marjority of people use or something :-P

ppsyc0wze wrote: hehe..same here…even thou im cracking porn sites and then share the accounts…

i hear that hacking porn sites are actually a good experience in hacking :D

hmm Intrus are you only saying that stuff because you consider yourself a blackhat. Im pretty sure you do if i remember well.

Hats are stupid. Really they are. If you dont believe me check out the short video about it on Zine.

But i consider myself white if ppl ask me because i dont have a purpose to hack someones site. I only worry about improving security. At times when pissed off sure ill fuck over a site :)

I am white with a few smudges ;)

I am a true whitehat though.

i see my self as a white hat but as you can guess i aint all clean. I leant from mistakes and now i want to work to make the internet a safer place for all :D or at least thats my dream

Please, dont make me slap you.

im a blackhat at heart.. but i dont really hack computer stuff anymore.

street ftw!

BluMoose wrote: Please, dont make me slap you.

Haha !

But on subject - I don't hack.

When I was a skiddie I did some blogs and used some public exploits… but those don't count?

street = cool

frozen flame rocks

-The_Flash- wrote: When I was a skiddie I did some blogs and used some public exploits… but those don't count?

Dang I love ya Flash, one of the few members here who know what theyre talking about :)

I guess I am a grey hat, as I really only work for the good of myself

I used to be a black hat when I first started out, then I got educated and became more of a grey hat, at the moment, I mainly stick to coding, I still do a bit of "hacking" now and again, but not as much

Truthfully I am a hacker by its definition. I call myself a whitehat but I am just a hacker. If you wanna see more on my definition read this:

A hacker is a person who creates and modifies computer software and computer hardware, including computer programming, administration, and security-related items. The term usually bears strong connotations, but may be either favorable or denigrating depending on cultural context (see the Hacker definition controversy). Common definitions include:

* In computer programming, a hacker is a programmer who hacks or reaches a goal by employing a series of modifications to exploit or extend existing code or resources. For some, "hacker" has a negative connotation and refers to a person who "hacks" or uses kludges to accomplish programming tasks that are ugly, inelegant, and inefficient. This negative form of the noun "hack" is even used among users of the positive sense of "hacker".

* In computer security, a hacker is a person who specializes in work with the security mechanisms for computer and network systems. While including those who endeavor to strengthen such mechanisms, it more often is used, especially in the mass media, to refer to those who seek access despite them.

* In other technical fields, hacker is extended to mean a person who makes things work beyond perceived limits through their own technical skill, such as a hardware hacker, or reality hacker.

* In hacker culture, a hacker is a person who has attained a certain social status and is recognized among members of the culture for commitment to the culture's values and a certain amount of technical knowledge.

This is taken straight from wikipedia so try it out :evil:

I am a hacker and I hack. not for the fame. not for the glory. for the knowlege. I hope you all live like me and learn all you can.

edit- nvm…

Indeed Aldar. And what people think is a hacker are called crackers.

Hackers build things. Crackers break them.

That is a quote from either an e-book, movie or news article XD

Yes a Cracker is a Criminal Hacker which is what is portrayed as a hacker in the media. a Hacker is one who likes to be challenged intellectually and fix problems they find.

AldarHawk wrote: Yes a Cracker is a Criminal Hacker which is what is portrayed as a hacker in the media. a Hacker is one who likes to be challenged intellectually and fix problems they find.

So hacking is learning or what? And cracking is to hack a site? A guy who HACK should be a HACKER.

im wonderin what i am…i like to be challenged and i like to learn and help ppl fix their stuff…but im also cracking, social engineering and destroying :P

-The_Flash- wrote: Hackers build things. Crackers break them.

Ditto. I'm a grey hat, since I don't want to be harmful. Therefore I don't write viruses and trojans and wouldn't break into anybody's computer or FTP system to destroy it. I don't really despise Black hats or white hats. So I guess I'm safe from anybody killing me! :P

A cracker is one who engages in one or more of the following: 1) breaks into a computer system; 2) figures out ways to bypass security or license protection in software; 3) intentionally breaches computer security. Contrary to popular belief, Cracker is not synonymous with Hacker.

A hacker is a person who enjoys exploring the details of computers and how to stretch their capabilities. A malicious or inquisitive meddler who tries to discover information by poking around. A person who enjoys learning the details of programming systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users who prefer to learn on the minimum necessary.

Originally, a hacker was a term of respect, used among computer programmers, designers, and engineers. The hacker was one who created original and ingenious programs. Unfortunately, the current popular meaning of the term is used to describe those who break into systems, destroy data, steal copyrighted software, and perform other destructive or illegal acts with computers and networks.

That explain it a bit better?

AldarHawk wrote: A cracker is one who engages in one or more of the following: 1) breaks into a computer system; 2) figures out ways to bypass security or license protection in software; 3) intentionally breaches computer security. Contrary to popular belief, Cracker is not synonymous with Hacker.

A hacker is a person who enjoys exploring the details of computers and how to stretch their capabilities. A malicious or inquisitive meddler who tries to discover information by poking around. A person who enjoys learning the details of programming systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users who prefer to learn on the minimum necessary.

Originally, a hacker was a term of respect, used among computer programmers, designers, and engineers. The hacker was one who created original and ingenious programs. Unfortunately, the current popular meaning of the term is used to describe those who break into systems, destroy data, steal copyrighted software, and perform other destructive or illegal acts with computers and networks.

That explain it a bit better?

so let me ask you what is the difference between a "hacker" like you say, and a computer programmer or computer scientist -_-

Basically a programmer does it for the money as does a scientist. a Hacker will do it for the sheer knowlege.

Anyone disagree? :evil:

Well, I wouldn't say no to some $$$ or €€€ :P

Wow i cant help but admire all the 1337 hackers that infest hbh. A hacker is a hacker, not all hackers have to be cock sucking little prissy assholes who scold anyone who destroys anything. Fuck that. Hackers arent like this at all. Hacker doesn't define a person's personality, it defines the ability they have. If hacker's were really uptight little school girls who 'build things' and 'secure websites' then theyd suck almost as much as this thread, if possible. Black hat > white hat pussies. Who are the ones who have 0days? Who are the ones who actually know how to do shit? Who are the ones you dont hear bickering about some stupid fucking definition such as this? Who are the ones who you people, as white hats, don't hear about? Oh, that's right! Theyre script kiddies! Everyone knows anyone who hacks a 'real' 'hacker''s website is a script kiddie because they managed to penetrate security! Not like all of you COOL AWESOME hackers! Not like YOU who have little to NO 0days and who have nothing but the ability to talk like you know how to take down an entire network! Not like the cool hackers who report security holes to securiteam and all the other gayass security websites! No way! Real hackers like you guys use milw0rm right? Ah! Don't have any 0days because your gay asses are too busy PATCHING them! THANKS! It'll be nice when you all get fucking 0wned by somebody/some people from an ACTUAL group/collection of hackers when they see this shitty waste-of-time-and-space thread. I dont usually/never login to HBH but i just had to have my thoughts on this annoying god damn thread. And don't say im some fucking 'newb' because you're quite wrong if you do ;) everybody knows im the insane bipolar community asshole and ignorant fuck ;) -Xer0X

in some ways i agree with xer0x.

1/2 the posters in this thread are idiots with no clue acting like they know it all.

thread locked. end of story.