for the beginners?

i mean by being able to post here i have to have some points. but thats just im a beginner. i have a little experiance but most deal with sorce codes and python programming "VERYYYY little" i did a basic password program but it could be found out reallllly easily by sorce code. but i would like information on how to start off. what kind of programming i should start to learn. for me its the sake of learning more of computers. i know some not much.

You'll get tons of answers to that if people can read through the ramble. (Maybe try formatting your posts better?)

I don't program much but most languages have their own quirks, find one you like. samurai would say learn java, richo would say learn python, I think java is kind of interesting, and, of course, C/C++. Learn some good scripting languages like JS and PHP and Perl. Maybe even ASM if you have no life (just kidding there, but even on a z80 architecture, ASM gives me headaches!)

Really, learn whatever you like and plan to use.

Well, English is one thing you could improve. For programming sake, I would say Python, Perl, PHP, HTML, lot of other ones you should learn to. That's my opinion though.

First of all, points don't matter. They don't show the skill of the person, or how hard they worked/how much they know. Second of all, if you came here looking for straight up answers, you're not going to find any. The people here are very…passionate about that. We want you to learn yourself. That being said, Google is your friend. Another great resource is http://www.w3schools.com/. As for your question about what to start with, I honestly don't know. Programming is not my area (though I'm working to improve that. So far I know a fair bit of VB and C++ and am starting to work on Java) Oh, and on a side note, people will take your posts a lot more seriously if its legible. Now I'm not saying that this is the worst I've seen, but some of it is hard to follow.

All that being said, I'm not an expert. I'm still learning as well, but the advice I have given you has served me well so far.

Thats weird- when I started writing this, no one else had posted

that improves post quality, then, futility. XD

Futility wrote:

thank you. you've been most helpful.

thank you. you've been most helpful.

Any time. But remember- hacking is definitely a rewarding experience, but it's hard…very hard. You need to be able to read until your eyes bleed, clean them off, then read some more. If you expect/want answers handed to you on a silver platter, you're going to fail. That being said, good luck, and if you have any specific questions you can PM me, but only as a last resort. I'm not going to answer if you don't prove that you've already exhausted every other resource.

xcoryx wrote: i have a little experiance… with… python programming. what kind of programming i should start to learn?

What's wrong with continuing to learn Python? There's not a "magic hacking" language out there; they're all equally viable. Instead of learning a million of them like everyone will tell you to, learn one WELL.

Hacking is really more an understanding of how things work then how things break. In order to break some site or root some server you need to understand what is going on behind the scenes.

Python is fantastic language, I've coded alot in it myself, however; if you are looking for languages that pertain more to hacking PHP and C/C++ are really your best bets.

I don't recommend these languages for the use of offense coding, i.e. writing viruses and such. Rather I recommend learning them because they will help you understand what it is you are trying to hack better.

dex_poet wrote: @ Futility nothing wrong with a basic question every now and then.

I just meant that he should look for the answer himself, rather than turning to other people right away.

I can program easily in PHP and with most .NET languages (C# and VB) and I never encountered any difficulties with them ;)

Though I think that C/C++ is also a good alternative since you don't have to depend on the .NET framwork and to write e.g. a virus. Though you can easily abuse the framework as well ;)

Depends on what platform you plan on coding for. Most launguages has its advantages and disadvantages.

My advice it not to try and learn to many at once. And I would recommend PHP as its a useful laungage but it soley depends on which platform you wish to code.